What did you think of McCain's speech?

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  1. BearTM

    BearTM Bustin' a move! Deceased Member

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    Or, easier yet, imagine a composite of Poodle and Baba that can spell.
  2. Volpone

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    I missed it. But I must be getting cynical and/or paranoid. My first thought at the mention of protesters is "Oooo... It would be a good idea to plant a few of ringers out there to react to." :cylon:
  3. Worfthing

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    Sure, I'll take one of these, and another from a different part of the speech.

    Obama has said that he intends to roll back the Bush administration's tax cuts on people with incomes of $200,000/250,000 (singles/couples). Meanwhile, McCain has stated his intention to leave the Bush tax cuts in place for all income levels.

    This isn't cutting them, and few would argue that this leaves them low.

    Now, Obama's proposals include tax cuts for people who make less than those amounts. In fact, to offset payroll taxes, he advocates a $500/1,000 (singles/coulpes) tax credit on income for working families. Furthermore, Obama wants to eliminate income taxes for seniors with incomes less than $50,000.

    Here's where it gets a bit tricky, and it gets into the "ehhhhhh" catagory. The only place Obama wants to raise taxes is with the top 1% of Americans. Now, I don't know about you, but I'm certainly not in that percentage, and I don't think most of the people McCain was talking to tonight are, either.

    Here's another:

    Beginning last month, Obama has stated that he supports a compromise bill that enacts broader energy reforms, even though offshore drilling is a part of that bill (New Energy Reform Act of 2008).

    So Obama is reluctant to drill offshore. He would prefer not to... but that's not the same as flat out rejection.

    That's the first part. The second part is completely off the mark.

    Obama has repeatedly stated that nuclear power “has to be part of our energy mix” in regards to energy independence, though (as seen on page...4? I think. of his "Safe and Secure Nuclear Energy") he would require much more stringent environmental safeguards, with Obama expressing the hope that developing this technology will help solve the problem of nuclear waste storage. But having concerns about safety does not equal "is against".

    Oh well, say what you will about this election season, it has certainly got quite a few people (on both sides of the aisle) talking about and researching the issues for themselves, and that's always a good thing. When even an offhanded joke takes a few minutes to back up... this is how the political process should be.
  4. Sokar

    Sokar Yippiekiyay, motherfucker. Deceased Member

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    Double-speak bullshit taylor-made for insecure tools who buy into wealth envy. The 'give-me-my-bigger-piece-of-pie' entitlement brigade.

    Does that pretty much sum you up?
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  5. KIRK1ADM

    KIRK1ADM Bored Being

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    Which is a tax increase to pretty much everyone except the Democratic Party and those who follow Obamessiah.
    No, it doesn't. He wants credits for a select few. That does not reduce the populations tax burden, nor does it decrease the amount of money that is withheld from their paychecks.
    Again, that does not reduce the taxpayers tax burden to the federal government. They also do not have additional take home pay with that type of credit.
    Too bad that doesn't impact those who are seeing incomes slightly greater than that because of mutual funds, and other tax type savings accounts that are designed to be drawn upon during the contributors "golden years". What Obama has talked about are not genuine tax cuts. Tax credits are all well and good, but tend to help a small minority taxpayers.
    So because it doesn't "impact" you directly it is all well and good? What if your company/owner falls into that category and decides that you are too much of a financial burden to him and he needs that salary of yours to cover the additional tax liability he has to the federal government?
    Outside of some mystical energy alternative that years and or decades off from being a reality, what is Obama's plan for dealing with oil and gasoline? Last I heard, his only proposal so far has been to increase taxes on gasoline and fuel. How will increasing these taxes increase our supply? Will that bring additional quantities of oil out of the ground? Will that allow refineries to refine greater amounts of oil?
    It is a shame he hasn't been more vocal about this on the Senate floor. It is a shame he hasn't encouraged Harry Reid, or Pelosi to move faster with legislation encouraging the expansion of nuclear power.
    Too bad none of the above does anything to deal with today, or the here and now.
  6. BearTM

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    The problem is, Obama's also promised to increase taxes in other areas such as corporate and business taxes...and this will have an impact on consumers.
  7. K.

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    I'd say that speech had some of the weakest and some of the best parts of the four speeches (Biden, Obama, Palin, and now McCain) we've heard. But if I could concentrate on the best parts alone, I really liked those; at least he set down some policies nice and clear and made it obvious what he stands for, a lot of which I disagree with, but none of which is insane, unrealistic or from the doomsday handbook.

    It's the kind of speech that makes me ambivalent about who wins this election, and hopeful that either alternative will be considerably better than the last eight years, even though neither will be great.
  8. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    teleprompter speeches are not his strong suit but i liked the narrative...I'll have an in-depth analysis later.
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    He was completely against it, early on in the campaign. Bad move for McCain's speechwriter to not get an updated copy of his platform.
  10. BearTM

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    Or McCain's speechwriter, like many, doesn't trust Obama's flip-flop on the matter.
  11. actormike

    actormike Okay, Connery...

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    Partisan sniping aside, I thought it was a weak speech delivered weakly. He clearly didn't have command of the audience, given that they seemed more interested in shouting down protestors rather than listening to the man. And the speech was way too long. I'm not sure what sense it makes to take someone who has always had trouble speaking before large crowds and put him on stage for an hour.

    Even his talking about his experience in the POW camp seemed less like he was telling a story and more like he was reading a speech. I got the feeling that he's talked about it so much that it's become rote.

    I wasn't impressed.
  12. BearTM

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    Apparently the Protesters got in on press credentials given to them by MSNBC....
  13. actormike

    actormike Okay, Connery...

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    LEFTY MEDIA!!!!!!!
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    Riiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:

    God forbid they shoutdown people who were there to shout down McCain. :shock:
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    Bulldog Only Pawn in Game of Life

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    Reagan was still only politician who was listenable while giving a speech. Clinton comes in a distant second, but only when he was in campaign mode.
  16. Muad Dib

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    Who? Fred Thompson?

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  17. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    There is really only 20 pages of history.

    Not that much to go by.
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    Bulldog Only Pawn in Game of Life

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    I see Bear continues to lie about Ron Paul.

    Isn't it funny how someone who claims that everyone else is a liar is guilty of the same thing?
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  19. ehrie

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    Is it me, or does John McCain have a creepy smile when he's trying to do the fake politician smile?
  20. BearTM

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    It's no more a lie than Obama's association with William Ayers. And of course the level of denial by his supporters is the same.
  21. Bulldog

    Bulldog Only Pawn in Game of Life

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    Sure thing, Liar.
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  22. BearTM

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    I think Obama should've been bold and chose Paul for a running mate.

    I mean if he had a 6' black transvestite for a running mate, no one would be talking about Sarah Palin.
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    Thompson gave a decent speech the other night, but WTF was up with him clearing his throat every ten seconds? :wtf:

    Pop in a cough drop, for gawd's sake. :jayzus:
  25. Muad Dib

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    Uhhhhh... I think you're talking about RuPaul. :soma:

    Otherwise, you're right.
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    Or he could have sucked on a lemon. Clears phlegm and prevents scurvy. :techman:

    Speaking of sucking on a lemon, that's pretty much what Bear did in the primaries. :diacanu:
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  28. Dr. Drake Ramoray

    Dr. Drake Ramoray 1 minute, 42.1 seconds baby!

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    Actually, John McCain doesn't like to talk about his time as a POW, I suspect he had to go into this as part of his effort to draw the differences between his life experiances and those of Barack Obama.