America To Collapse And Be Broken Up

Warp drive will not be discovered until after a nuclear war.

Hang on!

Very, very small chance.

However it is a chance.... and my father laughed when I said I wanted a PTR-91 for Xmas. (Damn you Bushmaster! DAMN YOU! Bet you wished you had the ACR out on time now don't you!!)

Last week I was at a local gun shop killing time between assignments and saw an actual semiauto HK91 on the consigment rack.

For more than $3000.


I've never bought anything at that store because they're so overpriced compared to most of the other gun shops in town.

FUCK THAT!


You know he laughed at me? Asked why the hell'd I want a military gun? :flow2:

Said I'd have better luck asking for a Range Rifle. Hmph!

I'm gonna work on him for the rest of my trip.

That could very well be said about Hong Kong.

O State is set to have a great team and a great schedule next year, it all sets up perfectly. And so, the Football Gods, who can not allow that to happen, are willing to break up the whole damned country to keep us down.

Bastards.

Twenty-five years ago, I would have said the same thing about the Soviet Union.

With academics like this, it's no wonder Russia continues to be a backwater society who's only good for energy supplies. That Russia should inherit the US' role as world financial regulator is jingoistic bullshit.

And you're both wrong.

There's very little for any state to gain by seceding and very much to lose. Not to mention our already strong national identity goes into overdrive during a crisis.

Plus the Air Force was nice enough to leave us a couple toys should Iowa get out of line...

You're forgetting the old USSR. The Soviet Union didn't secede: it bankrupted and broke apart.

The old USSR was an economic and political shithole relative to other countries, and the individual republics didn't culturally identify with the Soviet Union to anywhere near the degree to which the various states Identify with the United States. The USSR republics both had the desire to break off and the reasonable belief that they might make things better by doing so.

I find "voting oneself a free lunch" less alarming that putting the rights of society's minorities up for popular vote scrutiny by a society at large that enjoys them.

As for this Russian's opines, it was gibberish all the way through, but when he got to the last bit about Alaska, it became cartoonish.

A carbine!


People, I need better excuses for wanting an 'assualt weapon.' Fun isn't cutting it. Nor is SHTF gun. A gun collector is getting on to me for wanting a gun I can't do anything with.

Help me out people.


Also... what the fuck is wrong with Rails? I'm looking for PTRs with them and aren't finding jack. I don't understand why in this day and age everyone doesn't have them. Are they really expensive? Or is it just that they aren't that good, but they are all I know so I like them?

I don't have any experience with them so I can't comment on how "good" they are (though I definitely want to get an M4gery with a flat top for optics and a vertical foregrip) but the second half of that sentence is probably pretty accurate.

Like a BCT I can't really see how an order system would be superior. What's a bad side to Rails? What do other systems offer that it doesn't?

Like I said, I can't really comment on good or bad other than to say I personally prefer a pretty "clean" weapon, without a bunch of shit hanging off of it to get snagged on something.

Balkanization may or may not be an alternative-reality fantasy BUT


the nature of the populace in this country now is VASTLY different than it was in 1929.

There is a much greater sense of entitlement now, a much larger segment of the population which is totally dependent on the government (and more likely to get crazy when things go bad), a much greater variety of potential splinter groups and "rivals"...many more with a self-interested agenda that doesn't necessarily depend on preserving the union...there are a lot of "kooks" on both sides screaming that the other side has "taken their country" and they want to "take it back" - and quite a few of the "good solid" citizens who wouldn't bat an eye if you divorced the Coastal libs from the "sensible" part of the country.

the dynamics are completely different now than they were then.

Um.

Alaska has Nukes don't they?

In fact, it'd be interesting to make note of which of the new states would end up in the nuclear club and which would not.

Dunno about that exactly but I bet there will be a lot of the big cities that will be "divorced" by the more rural parts of the state. For instance, small town Tennesseans will probably be cool with Nashville and Knoxville but a lot of them are going to tell Memphis to get it's shit together or get the fuck out.

I'm not sure what a fucked up city like that will do without the state propping it up....probably become a war zone.

This much is true. whatever the fate of the U.S., the idea that Russia steps to the front of the line is just nuts.

But it wouldn't be about what you find "alarming"

the majority oppressing a minority is not in any way a trigger to dissolution.

Economic collapse might be.

NOW, sure.

But the premise is not states walking away from a strong union...the premise is that if there is a true financial collapse on the scale of the Great Depression or worse, that that unity and coherency that held us together then won't hold next time.

I don't think it will. i do think a large number of the broken parts will come back together in mutual self-interest and on common terms - for a HUGE part of the country geographically speaking, the "philosophy of government" is pretty much common.

You could take your ordinary Redneck trucker from Georgia and a rancher from Montana and they are going to agree on the great majority of stuff.

But here will be a whole lot of division and conflict in the mean time.

Though an interesting "What if?" scenario I doubt the US would break up any time soon, or at least in my lifetime...Well unless the nukes start coming.

Shep makes a lot of good points.

This country is polarized in a way it has never been before, and I think the average joe on the street is FINALLY waking up to the hard fact that teh leadership in Washington D.C. is not only morally and ethically bankrupt, but fucking INSANE.

The veneer of civilization is quite thin. If the economy or the currency collapses hard, then stand by. There are no guarantees whatsoever that the United States will continue to exist as a single entity. This won't be a Fort Sumter style shooting seccession, just a bunch of beleaguered, bankrupt States banding together and giving D.C. the collective finger. At that point, D.C. won't be able to do a goddamn thing about it. It won't be an organized balkanization, I don't think- things will just sigh and come apart like an old battered ragdoll. People on the state and local levels will pick up the pieces and press on, and the next thing you know there will be a bunch of new nation states in North America.

Then the water wars will start.

You are quite correct actually. We're nowhere near that level of desperation...Yet!

Hopefully it won't happen. Water wars are so fucking lame.

These are all pipe dreams. Nice dreams, but pipe.

Things aren't bad enough for the kind of changes described here, and very likely won't get there unless the Congress abetted by Obama screw up on a scale beyond even O2C or Marso's direst predictions.

They don't have any strategic missles, no. They may have a some gravity bombs or cruise missles left if there are any B-52's or B-1's attached to the composite wing in Elmendorf though. But, I'd think those would be flown out ASAP.