Ark. prison guards on leave after 2 killers escape

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  1. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    Source - The Associated Press

    I'm so glad those murderers were put away for life where they'll never hurt another person... :marathon:
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    This is what we get for farming out prisons to the lowest bidder.
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    We had a guy in Texas who was on death row, but when SCOTUS abolished the death penalty in 1972, his sentence was commuted to life with the possibility of parole.

    He later got out and killed a bunch of people before finally getting caught again and given the slow drip. :garamet:
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    I am always amazed at the number of people who think "life sentence without possibility of parole" has removed someone as a danger to others. In fact, that simply turns that person into someone who has nothing to lose. There is and can be no stiffer penalty in Michigan, for example, so why not try escapes, beating and/or killing other inmates, beating and/or killing guards, etc.? No meaningful punishment can be given to a person who is already faced, by definition, with the harshest punishment that can exist.

    And having the prisoners make guard uniforms seems like a really ridiculous idea to me. That gives them direct access to uniforms that aren't even fake!

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    They've been caught!

    This is good news. But letting them make guard uniforms is still a stupid idea.

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    Really...has Hogan's Heroes taught us nothing? :lol:
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    These guys should be making dance uniforms.... not prison guard uniforms!
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Maybe they should let prisoners test drive police cars too! :lol:

    Oh wait.....we have to save something for the Gitmo prisoners to do.
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    Idiots.

    They shouldn't have driven 20 miles in the car that was being looked for.

    Time and again I read stories about escaped prisoners making the same stupid mistakes.

    No doubt they were also driving fast and furiously trying to put as much distance between them and the jail as possible, but serving only to attract attention.

    If they had half a brain between them, they would have driven calmly away (after all they were thought at that point to be prison officers) and driven to somewhere within 2 or 3 miles where they could try to avail of an alternative means of transport. If they could find a train line and jump aboard a freight train for a bit, that's an excellent way to make the trail go cold, since there's no stolen vehicle report corresponding to the area where the original car is found dumped.

    Ideally the best means of transport is motorcycles. Very fast, capable of cutting through traffic, and if they get made by the cops and end up being chased, capable of going through narrow places that cars can't.

    They should split up, try to commandeer a bike each and head for the border, travelling along back roads. If they can aquire a sat nav, it can be set to avoid highways and major roads, and guide them to a destination along roads that people wouldn't expect them to take. The Texas / Mexico is closer but likely to be more heavily patrolled. Heading up through Missouri, Iowa and Minnesota to try to cross into Canada would be the smartest bet at that point.
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    In Minnesota they would have to contend with the boundary waters which, although it would help cut off pursuit, would be annoying without a boat of some sort. It would probably be better to cross into North Dakota (still predominantly on section line roads) and cut through a farm field to get into Canada.
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    Why not put chips in prisoners to monitor there locations?
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    I was a little surprised to see this. It's not the same prison escapees, but the situation was similar.

    http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/121823/

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    No one has ever been recorded escaping from a coffin in modern times after being executed for murder. A solution waiting for the implementation on a wide scale.
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    I think they actually must have been driving pretty cautiously, they made it all the way to New York. The story says they were getting pulled over for failure to signal... what a dumb way to get caught. But clearly these weren't the brightest 2 guys out there in the first place.
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    Unfortunately, a number of people have been executed for crimes they did not commit, for which they were later exonerated. Our system, while apparently good at incarcerating people, still has its flaws.
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    Really, name one of these "number of people."
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    At least do a quick stop at a walmart or mall and swap tags or something. Their failure was in their thinking. You must think backwards from where you want to end up and then get to the escape. The car was not a bad plan at all but going all the way to NY and then getting caught in it was stupid. One place I would look for would be the nearest large airports long term car parking, probably one you could heist from there and not be noticed for a while. get to a big port city so you can blend in as a homeless person or something until you can raise the cash to get somewhere. If it was winter you could probably heist a sailboat from a marina or something at night and go unnoticed and head south and out of the USA. Maybe head for the orient with some fake papers or something.
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    I'm glad those idiots were caught. Some people. :unuts:
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    A very common problem for prison escapes is that they focus so much on the escape that once they do make it out they basically are in the position of saying

    "What do we do now?"

    I've read somewhere that the vast majority of escapees are caught after escaping...

    ...when they go home.

    They go back to their old haunts because that is where they are most comfortable so they seek out the familiar.
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    Still can't name a single one huh? :itsokay: It's only been 9 hours since you waxed moronic.
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    I've got other things going on in my life, idiot.

    http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/

    I misspoke. Since the court system doesn't seem to entertain exonerations after the death penalty has been carried out, there are no official records of this. However, at the link above, they cite 17 people as having been sent to death row and then exonerated.

    I hesitate to cite the following website since they have a different purpose than the Innocence Project (that of abolishing the death penalty), but they suggest specific people who may have been killed although innocent.
    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty