http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204683204574358590107981718.html Just more proof that wacko Sarah Palin was crazy to suggest that the Kenyan would ever try to impose death panels on our elderly!
The most glaring vile thing one can do those who gave so much of themselves for our country, freedom and often the freedom of others. Without those WWII vets who are now being encouraged to die we'd all be speaking Japanese or German and living like dogs. Yet our gov't now wants to toss them out with the trash. The House version of the Obamacare bill gives doctor a fee for end of life counseling. Tell a patient he should just give up and die and Uncle Sam will pay you X amount of $$.
Despite the rhetoric, End of Life Councelling doesn't equal 'sign here so we move you through quickly.' Most people don't want to be Terry Schiavoed, but due to an irrational fear of death don't bother to put it down in writing.
Funny enough, the Star Trek: TNG episode Ethics was replayed over the weekend. It shows Worf becoming paralyzed due to a cargo bay shipping container falling on him. Worf wants to commit suicide and asks Riker to bring him a ceremonial knife. I can just imagine a deleted scene where Petty Officer Obama walks into sickbay and hands Worf a Death Pad.
Living wills are a great idea and should be done. There is however, no reason what so ever to pay doctors with federal taxpayer to money to discuss end of life with their patients. Living wills, end of life etc are things the gov't should be 100% out of.
So doctors shouldn't mention such things, ever? They should just stretch out everyones existence as long as possible, no matter how poor their quality of life or how much pain they're in?
Of course they should, but it should be for the patients best interest. When the government is going to pay them an extra fee to do it, it brings their motivation into serious question and makes their opinions suspect. The point being there is no valid reason for the government to be involved in this. This was obvious from my OP.
As long as Drs aren't being paid on the basis of number of DNR signups, don't see how this would push anything other than a conversation....
B/c the amount of people who say they don't want to be Terry Schiavoed doesn't match the amount of people who have living wills. In otherwords not only is their will not going to be carried out but they will cost us a shitton of money while doing so. Again, as long as they are only paid for the consultation, with no consideration made towards results this is a good thing for everyone all around.
Everything the article in the OP quotes emphasizes free choice. "Death panels" would be about taking away choice, and so is the idea that doctors should not advise patients as to their options. The idea that doctors should in fact do so, but not be paid, because they will apparently do a worse job when paid, is so ridiculous I can't even begin to describe it.
Eh, wrong again. Doctors are paid to do this as they collect fees for their visits with patients. The issue is why the gov't should be paying them extra for this particular service. This is the kind of service the gov't doesn't belong in. To borrow a phrase, it doesn't pass the smell test.
This is much more than a regular visit, and just as they charge for every other additional service they carry out, they should be paid for this additional service. The hesitation towards discussing patients' testaments comes from a fear of pressuring them into an option they don't want, so that they will end up being treated, or left untreated, in a way that is not in accordance with their will when the time comes. But what I feel many try to ignore is that that is the default. If you don't discuss it ahead of time, you know that you're giving up control. Compared to that certainty, the chance that discussing options might subliminally influence your choice seems negligible, especially since it's the only way that leaves you some chance to retain your own choice.
Yes, through insurance, etc. NOT a special gov't payment for this one service that can so easily be abused.
The article makes a lot of statements which are either unsubstantiated or highly dubious. I'm left with the sense that having this option is a good one that some people don't like on moral grounds... nothing to do with support for the veterans either.
Ask your federal health service for the pamphlet "Wouldn't You Really Be Better Off Dead?" and see how you can lower health care costs by choosing oblivion...
here is an idea from a silly drunk fuck like me. Stop the wars now. spend that money on heath care for Vets, poor and old sick folks. problem solved, make me the problem solving Czar
As long as no incentive is given towards the RESULT, how can it be abused? All this does is insure that someone's wishes are put down in a legally binding document. If the dude wants to hang on till his last breathe this will put that in writing just as easily as if he want's the plug pulled if the Doc's say no chance.
Except not entirely. List of VA Websiter links referencing document: February 2001 - http://www.hsrd.research.va.gov/publications/internal/brief_19_v3.pdf Spring 2001 - http://www.ethics.va.gov/docs/bkiss...ring_best_Practices_Advance_care_Planning.pdf March 26, 2003 - http://www.ethics.va.gov/docs/net/NET_Topic_20030326_Advance_Care_Planning_Best_Practices.doc 2005 - http://www1.va.gov/pugetsound/docs/pao_2005issue3.pdf March 2005 - http://www1.va.gov/pugetsound/docs/pao_2005issue3.pdf August 23, 2006 - http://www.vehu.med.va.gov/vehu/WBTPages/WBT07.cfm?ClassNum=121 December 2006 - http://www.va.gov/vaforms/medical/pdf/vha-10-0137B.pdf February 22, 2007 - http://www.ethics.va.gov/docs/policy/VHA_Handbook_1004-2_Advance_Care_Planning_20070222.pdf July 18, 2007 - http://www.salisbury.va.gov/patients/advance.asp July 22, 2008 - http://www1.va.gov/VHAPUBLICATIONS/ViewPublication.asp?pub_ID=1723 December 29, 2008 - http://www1.va.gov/pugetsound/page.cfm?pg=68 I'm sure the fact that the VA choose "Your Life, Your Choice" instead of your booklet has nothing to do with your op-ed, or your appearance on Fox News. Attached is the actual "Your Life, Your Choice" booklet. I just wouldn't read it alone at night... Mwhahahaha
Interesting. Where did that info come from? Who would be better qualified to discuss literature such as this? Good reading, thanks. Though something did catch my eye: Page 52 (last page): Advance directives Choice in Dying (800) 989-9155 (800-989-WILL) Internet: www.choices.org That page now shows something about teens being in school or somesuch. However, a quick jaunt in the WayBackMachine gives us this page: http://web.archive.org/web/19971210203054/http://www.choices.org/ Choice in Dying, a proud organization that assists in livings wills. Oh, and is a euthanasia advocacy group. Looks like that organization turned into a regular hospice care organization (sissies!), so the 2007 edition decided to include Compassion & Choices, who now give advice on the hastening of death. Maybe if assisted suicide is made legal, VA doctors who now botch routine operations will be more prone to avoid euthanizing their patients without their consent, particularly after they erroneously received a letter stating that they have a terminal illness.
If Pres. Obama () wants to see who's mainly responsible for the public not trusting him on the issue of "Death Panels", he needs look no further than the nearest mirror. When asked if "his" plan would take an older individual's spirit and will to live should be taken into account, his response was more or less that the older patient should take the pain pill, and go ahead and die & decrease the surplus population. It's not so much that we're afraid that the govt. health plan will pull the plug on grandma, it's that they won't hook up her resperator in the first place.
Believe me when I say, if YOU were stuck in a nursing home, you'd want to be dead. I fell and when the hospital wouldn't keep me, I had to spend 5 days in one. I had nightmares for weeks afterward. And what's the fuss about doctors discussing it as an option ? Before you answer, remember that you have wished me dead many times. And before you do it again, you don't know my past or what I have accomplished. But what does that matter, when it's knee-jerk reaction time from the retard crowd.
And yet paradoxically, you're all for the govt. option of "is this patient really worth it" or "did he and / or she donate enouth to the right politicians".
I *never* said the last statement, nor did I imply it. The government doesn't make the call for Assisted Suicide, the patient does.
Besides the face that the members of the armed forces receiving this book were gainfully employed, I think it's fair to state that Nutbird is of course supportive of killing disabled veterans. Their being alive means she gets a smaller slice of the pie.
