Redneck Judge Denies marriage license to Interracial Couple

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  1. Anarch

    Anarch The Green Manalishi

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    Why?

    Slap another shrimp on the barbie and tell us.
  2. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    *Checks sig*

    Yeah, I should value your opinion on race. :marathon:

    Wow, this dual account sucks.
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  3. Anarch

    Anarch The Green Manalishi

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    If you had any intellectual integrity, you'd have checked the link and found its a site run by a black man. But you didn't, so there we are.

    Dual, huh? Of who?
  4. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    No, there are exceptions.

    A minister, for instance, can marry or not marry as he sees fit.


    My guess is though, that a JP being an official of the government doesn't have that option.
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  5. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    We already established this.

    As an elected official, the Justice of the Peace is subject to laws that while exercising that role he cannot discriminate on the basis of race.

    A minister, while subject to those limitations for certain situations such as employment, is not in others such as choosing to marry a couple.

    Now, neither the justice of a peace or the minister in this hypothetical comparison are strictly obligated to marry any particular couple, however you can imagine situations where both a racist justice of the peace and a racist minister would reach a point where the only way to deny the couple would be to admit a racial basis to that denial.

    The elected official can not do that, the minister can. Therefore while not being obligated to marry any couple, he is more obligated than the minister.
  6. Anarch

    Anarch The Green Manalishi

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    That's fucking brilliant, Bailey! I'm truly amazed you took time to pull your dick out of a sheep and come up with a logical, coherent argument.

    There's only one problem with it: he didn't discriminate on the basis of race. He simply said he would marry a mixed-race couple.
  7. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia

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  8. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Ooooh, that was a good zinger, you really got me, there!



    Lame. :no:


    If that's not a clear-cut cast of discrimination, I don't know what is.

    Thankfully, there are other Justices of the Peace where they can get married by in 2009.

    ....So fucking what if other people don't accept the relationship?

    the only two people that matter in a relationship are the people in the relationship. :jayzus:
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  9. Tamar Garish

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    My point is that the guy probably doesn't even understand what he says is racist.

    He may truly have a conscience about personally helping to enable the creation of children he believes will suffer.

    They had no trouble getting married by the other JP so who gives a fuck? Why would someone want to be married by someone who is forced to perform the ceremony? That wouldn't be very joyous. Why would an inter-racial couple want to be joined by someone they see as racist?

    It just seems like there is little good that can come of this. Some stupid shit you can safely walk away from, shaking your head.
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  10. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    I don't see anyone here proposing he go to jail or anything like that. A justice of the peace though should be capable of following something like the Civil Rights Act, and if they are not should step down.
  11. Anarch

    Anarch The Green Manalishi

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    Interesting. So what?
  12. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    It's pretty clear you are just playing dumb by this point, so I'll make it my last post on the matter as I have better things to do.

    You said it wasn't racial discrimination to discriminate against a mixed race couple, the U.S. Supreme Court disagrees with you. :)
  13. Tamar Garish

    Tamar Garish Wanna Snuggle? Deceased Member

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    I don't see how it's any different than a judge recusing himself from a specific case because he has some sort of bias. :shrug:
  14. Anarch

    Anarch The Green Manalishi

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    The Supremes once said that "separate but equal" was cool, yet that was later changed by a USSC decision.

    Also, if you read that wiki article you quoted, you'll find Pace v. Alabama as a precedent which said the exact opposite thing.

    If they were wrong at first, and right later, then someone's interpretation of the Constitution was faulty at some point. How do we know it isn't the other way around in reverse?

    In the end, he as an agent of the state (actually only an agent of the parish, but let's not split hairs) isn't denying them the opportunity to get married. He's simply refusing to do the ceremony himself. The State of Louisiana isn't prohibiting the marriage (which is really what your wiki-tempt above is about). They can find another JP or a minister to do it. And should.

    See Tamar's post above this one for a better example of what I'm talking about.
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    I don't think he's playing...
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    False. Take marriage, for example.
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    The JP was in the wrong IMHO.

    Interracial couples have every right to marry and be unhappy like the rest of us. :bergman:
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    Does the judge actually think refusing to marry this couple will prevent them from having children?
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    exactly!!


    .. and who says that they dont already!
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    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Not since people stopped shipping those whorish teen girls to their Aunt Mary's when they started showing, anyway. :bergman:

    In all seriousness...for fuck's sake, we elected a clearly bi-racial man into the office of President less than a year ago. I'm not saying bi-racial kids have an easy time fitting into either world (which I know from my half-brother's experiences in high school), but we're far removed from the days where people are trying to pass for white just to be able to get a decent job. :jayzus:
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    :doh: but he's still an Asshole.
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    Fire that idiot.

    Aaron and Miriam the siblings of Moses in the Bible were once smote with leprosy for the same.
  23. Zombie

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    Even if he wasn't elected and was just a government official he still doesn't have the right to do this.
  24. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    One is legal. One isn't.

    I would prefer my government officials to behave legally.
  25. Starguard

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    Its official.. He's Toast :cool:

    link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/ap_on_re_us/us_interracial_rebuff
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    YES..GO GET EM TIGER! :cool:

    link: http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/17/interracial.marriage/index.html
  27. Anarch

    Anarch The Green Manalishi

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    I wonder what they would be saying if the JP refused to marry them because they're both fucking ugly and he didn't want to unleash any more ugly children into the world.
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    Probably pretty much the same thing, since it makes just as much sense (which is to say none). But your sig lead me to believe you're a racist yourself, so it doesn't surprise me to see you say something like that.
  29. Dan Leach

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    Would he marry 2 mixed race people?
  30. Anarch

    Anarch The Green Manalishi

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    And if you'd follow the link, you'd find the blog is maintained by a black man. But you won't do that, because it's easier to have a blind, hysterical, pre-programmed reaction than to actually think.

    It's understandable.

    :lol:

    Thrash! Bluster! Whine! Gurgle! Buck! Scream!

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