Global Cooling? Really?

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  1. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Well, no. Not really. Turns out the trend reported by several sources as "cooling" was a statistical analysis trick. Seems if you're careful about which data set you pick to use for trend analysis, you can get the result you're looking for. When you do your statistics properly, you get a different story.

    Discuss.
  2. RickDeckard

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    I believe I pointed that out the last time the supposed "cooling trend" was wheeled out.
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  3. Tamar Garish

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    It's all bullshit. :jayzus:
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    Any scientist being entirely honest would say "depends" when asked as to whether there's been a warming or cooling trend. :shrug: 1934 remains the warmest year on record, which isn't surprising considering that the Great Plains were basically a desert.
  5. Dan Leach

    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    Uhh only in the US, the warmest year for the globe was 2006.
    And the dust-bowl was very much a man-made phenomenon
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  6. Order2Chaos

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    So... why is it still cooler than 1998?
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    Who cares?

    100 or so years of observation is not adequate to really understand, let alone predict, climate changes.
  8. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Hot, cold, either way you'll still get my Jeep and my styrofoam plates when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

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  9. Dan Leach

    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    Because the upward trend which we are on does not mean that every year will be slightly warming than the one proceeding.

    And that 'upward trend' means both the possible anthropogenic caused trend, and the long-term warming trend that we are on regardless of human activity.
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    That depends on which data is more accurate. NASA say 2005 was hottest. You really should read the article from the OP.
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  11. Dan Leach

    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    Your right, its lucky that isn't all we go on.
  12. Delaware

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    Medieval Warm Period, discuss.
  13. Dan Leach

    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    A local phenomenon?
    Most evidence is looking like it was.
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    Which is why the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age tend to be downplayed so much by global warming advocates, right?
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  15. Dan Leach

    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    They tend to be downplayed by people who are looking at the climate as a whole
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    No, more by people trying to push a political agenda.
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  17. RickDeckard

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    Unlike you, presumably.
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  18. Dan Leach

    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    Uh evidence from around the world (i.e. not just from Europe) shows that the MWP occured only in the north atlantic and only affected western europe directly.
    Other places close by were affected by it, but the souther hemisphere didnt get it at all.
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    "If you measure from 1935, there's a pronounced warming trend."

    "If you measure from 1980, there's a prounounced warming trend."

    "If you measure from 1998, well, that's completely invalid."
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  20. BearTM

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    Editted for accuracy.
  21. RickDeckard

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    And obvious why it would be invalid when looking for the long-term trend.
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  22. Nova

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    I submit humanity should adopt the Gunny Highway Plan for reacting to climate change:

    "Improvise, adapt, overcome"

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    You really ought to think about that. After all, I'm not one of the ones calling for legislation or making demands. I'm still in a "we need information" outlook. Unfortunately the outlook doesn't look very good, because all the global warming nuts have made discussion on the subject very difficult.

    The North Atlantic and Europe are pretty large chunks of the globe. And since there's been tree core data corresponding with both the Medieval Warp Period and the Little Ice Age in North America, that's another pretty large chuck of the globe. Acting like that somehow doesn't matter or "count" is being pretty intellectually dishonest.

    Ice core samples and sea bed samples from the Antarctic region disagree with you.
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  24. Will Power

    Will Power If you only knew the irony of my name.

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    I believe the correct term is Global Climate Change.
  25. Dan Leach

    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    What about the mass extinction of the worlds flora and fauna that is taking place.
    Should we just 'adapt' to a world that is less diverse and much more devoid of life or shouldn't we just reduce the stunningly giant footprint of death we are presently stamping on the planet with?
  26. Fox Mulder

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    ah, the ignorance of the masses :bergman:
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    Edited for accuracy. ;)
  28. RickDeckard

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    That's still a politically motivated "do nothing for now" stance, I'm afraid.
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  29. Fox Mulder

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    the old "political agenda" chestnut coming out again is it?

    deliciously ironic :)
  30. Tamar Garish

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    Please.

    Climate change is a fact.

    It's all the crap in the media that's bullshit. Bread and circuses that has happened since the printing press was invented.