Our Healthcare Is Fine

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Delaware, Mar 20, 2010.

  1. Delaware

    Delaware Fresh Meat Deceased Member

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    I've never waited over a week for an appointment of any sort. Sometimes when I call, they'll fit me in on the same day. My quality of care has always been superb and I've had no complaints whatsoever.
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  2. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    I am upset it costs so much when every other 1st world country has figured out how to cover everyone for about hlaf the cost per capita.
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  3. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Yeah, and –? The majority of Canadians can say the same thing. Was there a point you were trying to make?

    Let me guess. You’re young, healthy, have no preexisting conditions, have never needed surgery or an expensive medication for a chronic condition.

    You’re also too dim to realize that wait times have to do with the ratio of physicians to patients in your area and nothing else.

    And your employer pays for your health insurance.

    Did I leave anything out?
  4. Delaware

    Delaware Fresh Meat Deceased Member

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    Wrong. Median wait times for diagnostic services: Two weeks. Median time for specialist physician appointments: Four and a half.
    I'm young and have never needed surgery, but otherwise, wrong.
    So? My quality of care is still fine, and what do you think will happen to the gross number of doctors under a socialised system?
    Wrong.
    Don't assume, Margaret. You know what that does.
  5. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    I disagree. Our healthcare system has major problems. Alot of what fouled it up was when the government got involved through Medicare and Medicaid. That's why I'm so opposed to putting the inmates in charge of the asylum.
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  6. classichummus

    classichummus Fresh Meat

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    You're right, he is young, healthy, has no preexisting conditions, has never needed surgery, or expensive medications for a chronic condition. Weed doesn't count Dual!

    He's rich, he doesn't care.

    His family is super uber rich, he doesn't have to deal with it, his family just pays for private health care.

    Nope!

    Yes, I know I answered for Dual, but it's because I'm one of his best friends IRL and have been for a few years. I'm saying what he won't.
  7. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    Not anymore. :bergman:
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  8. classichummus

    classichummus Fresh Meat

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    That's because you are probably the richest person on wordforge.

    I agree. I don't get it. I don't see why our country doesn't look at some things like Kaiser Permanente (on the West Coast), the plans from University of California administrators/high staff get, other countries plans, look at whatever problems they have, and make a system that would fix all of that? We are fucking America, we can do anything we fucking want, but we make sure our people have health care? Seems a bit backwards to me
  9. Chris

    Chris Cosmic Horror

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  10. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    My health care is fine. If you've got problems, find a way to solve them that doesn't undermine my complacency.
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  11. Delaware

    Delaware Fresh Meat Deceased Member

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    Do you have absolutely no comprehension of the fact that we can't afford UHC? We can't even nearly afford all the crap our government does now, so whether you think we should have UHC or not is a fucking moot point. The reason most other first world nations have government healthcare, Hummus, is because of two major things: One, the American military (a vastly expensive body, paid for by the American taxpayer) protects them, meaning their tax revenues can go towards UHC. Two, we have about five times the population of countries like Britain and France and their lauded healthcare schemes. You want UHC? Find a way to cut back our entire deficit, and then enough more to pay for it without incurring another.
  12. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    We've already got a form of UHC right here in Tennessee. It's called TennCare. Tennessee tried to do back in the 1990's the very thing that Obama and Pelosi are doing now.

    It's the biggest budget nightmare the state has. Nashville is having to cut services and even cutting patients from the rolls, and alot of doctors offices have stopped accepting TennCare patients.

    If you want to know how UHC is going to go, you only have to look at what has happened here in the Volunteer State.
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  13. classichummus

    classichummus Fresh Meat

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    I'm sick of the amount of money we spend on the military. We don't need to put so much fucking money into pointless wars that just fuck up other countries because we think we are the World Police. We need to fix our own country before trying to fix others. You know the thing the flight attendants say on planes, "In the event of an emergency, oxygen masks will fall down in front of you. If you are traveling with a child or a dependent, put the mask on yourself first, then put one on them, so you can continue to help them." We need to do that with our citizens instead of caring for the children/dependents (other countries) first. Cut military spending by a fuck-ton and we will have way more money to work on shit here. Also, tax the shit out of the fucking super rich sports stars, actors, TV people, musicians, and corporate executives. If someone makes more than 500,000 a year, they should pay into the pot more than someone who makes 50,000 a year.
  14. Delaware

    Delaware Fresh Meat Deceased Member

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    Uh, they already do. Are you familiar with a little thing called the income tax?
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  15. Muad Dib

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  16. classichummus

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    Yes, but I think the super rich could still pay a bit more than they do. Especially the $1,000,000 plus per year people.
  17. Delaware

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    Could and should are not synonyms.
  18. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    And we all know that rich folks don't offshore or otherwise hide their real wealth. :bergman:

    I bet you believe in the Tooth Fairy, too. :itsokay:
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  19. Dinner

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    I agree that without cost controls any reform is doomed in the long run but even without reform we're doomed due to rising costs. We need a really large public program which can get economies of scale, negotiate lower prices from suppliers just like Walmart does, and have as large a risk pool as possible. That's why national insurance programs work so well because the insurance pool is as large as possible in any given country since the pool cannot be made larger then every person in a country. Also since they have such economies of scale they can really ring out costs.

    That's how you get everyone insurance for the lowest cost possible and until we do that we're just playing for a bit more time without solving the real problems.
  20. Prufrock

    Prufrock Disturbing the Universe

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    I agree. There is a need for health care reform in this country, but seeing as the big problems stem from too much government meddling, giving them even more power to meddle while promising "free" healthcare will only make things worse.

    But I'm also in the same boat as Dual II - personally I'm happy with my own health care providers.

    You get what you pay for.
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  21. Ash

    Ash how 'bout a kiss?

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    Please tell us what you think is fair.
  22. classichummus

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    It's not up to me to decide, but I'd say people like Glenn Beck making multi-million dollar per year salaries, could afford to pay into the pot a few hundred thousand in income taxes. I think he would still be able to live the lush life.
  23. Ash

    Ash how 'bout a kiss?

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    Do you have any idea how much Glenn Beck makes and how much he pays in taxes?
  24. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    Me too, bubba. Me too. However, if we can't afford the $750 Billion dollars that the DoD spends, we certainly can't afford Universal Care either.

    Scaled by population and using this currency converter, if we spent what these countries spent on their UHC:

    UK: $812 Billion
    Canada:$1,280 Billion

    We can't afford that either. Face it. The DoD is and probably should be cut of some funds, but they're not going away. Personally, I'd cut it by 50%, but that's neither here nor there. But, even if you cut the DoD, that's still an awful lot of money that's going to have to come from somewhere.
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  25. Caboose

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    :jayzus: Another havs vs. have nots with the nots leading the charge to assrape the haves.

    Go figure.
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  26. Tuckerfan

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    You're quietly neglecting to mention that a lot of Tenncare's problems (though not all of them) started during the Sundquist's (Republican) term, because he had a massive chubby for getting a state income tax in TN and did everything he could to expand the numbers of people on Tenncare (including making it difficult to get someone tossed off the books because they didn't even live in the state) in hopes that the ballooning budget costs would force the state to pass an income tax. Sundquist so poisoned the waters that the local GOP and talk radio show hosts were calling for his head (while Sundquist was calling out the highway patrol and demanding that they arrest the state house members who refused to vote for his income tax according to some accounts). Probably the largest reason why TN has a Democratic governor at the moment is because of what Sundquist did with his "tax plan" BS.
  27. brudder1967

    brudder1967 this is who we are

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    Our health care system isn't fine. Not as long as there are pooooor folks who have to pay a dime for their health care while middle class and rich folks aren't taxed nearly enough.

    Or as long as some states have tort reform so that people can't file medical malpractice lawsuits and get their lawyers rich.

    :sroll:
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  28. Tamar Garish

    Tamar Garish Wanna Snuggle? Deceased Member

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    If any of this is true, you may very well be banned for revealing personal information without Dual's permission. :nono:
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  29. RickDeckard

    RickDeckard Socialist

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    I for one am very glad of our socialistic healthcare system. Another fine example of socialism in action! :techman:
  30. Tuckerfan

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    How's those socialized roads? They good too? Ours are okay, depending upon what state you live in. Ooops! I let it slip that we have socialized roads in the US. I hope they won't throw me out of the country for that.