We've apologized to China for Arizona

Just when you think you've heard everything...

More here:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/05/026310.php

Comparing our lack of control of immigration to China's murder of millions is something that only the left could come up with.

And here's yet another clueless Obama administration official:

The law does not say anything like that, morons!! Who is giving you people the downloads?

Read this ection of the CA penal code and compare it to the Arizona law...

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=833-851.90

What are you on about? There is no apology here! They discussed it. Or is that not allowed?

834: Did you hear Gomer yelling "citizen's arrest! citizen's arrest!"?

And it is pretty clear that every law enforcement agency's job is to determine immigration status...

(I'm assuming you didn't intend for me to go much past 834 and the section on illegal immigration...)

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Fuck! This shit pisses me off! Can't wait for the HNIC to be a forgotten memory. Fucktard...

As far as i'm concerned, a repressive government like China's has no seat at the table when discussing the wisdom of our internal politics.

In other words, if they even brought it up they should be told to sweep up there own doorstep before the criticize, and if it goes beyond that they should be read chapter & verse about just how fucked up their actions and policies are and have been.

There should be exactly no room to ever get around to discussing Arizona

Do you know what often happens when a North Korean sneaks across the border into China? Rather than welcome them with open arms, they capture the N.Koreans + turn them in (back to the North Koreans) + reap a handsome reward. Just sayin'

The Chinese and the NKs are best buddies. You gotta wonder just how nice the Chinese are going to be to people they don't even like...

Nonetheless:
a) They didn't apologise;
b) China didn't bring it up;
c) China didn't criticise.

How about we ask them to apologize for Tienamin Square now?

China should apologize for all that cheap plastic crap they make for Wal Mart.

Do we know that the administration official described the law that way, as opposed to it being the author's own explanation?

At any rate, bringing up possible counterpoints yourself, before your opponent has a chance to raise them, is not necessarily a bad negotiation tactic.

You know foreign diplomats laugh at us behind our backs now. As soon as the door closed, it was probably something like " Can you berieve that shit!? A couple decades ago we brutally crushed peaceful protests for democracy--right in front of the world media--and they're apologizing to us for catching criminals!? We've got a live one here. Let's sell him some magic beans tomorrow."

Right. Apparently, we brought it up to show that we don't ignore our own human rights violations. Which is completely mind blowing.

Again:

The CLEAR implication is-

china says "Why you bitchin at us, you got problems of your own"

we say "gosh I know, all those nasty right wingers have fucked up so much we're having a hard time fixing it....we're just all in a tizzy about them being so mean to the brown people in Arizona! Can you ever forgive us?!"

It's simple:

"China complained"? The proper response is to tell China they are full of shit

"Officials did not whitewash"? No other way to read that but that they conceded the point - and admitting that they themselves brought up Arizona is pretty obviously NOT them defending Arizona, and if you are not defending, then you are apologetic. If you wanted to do neither you wouldn't have brought it up.

I think y'all are forgetting that 'diplomacy' is just a bunch of bullshit talk that isn't meant to get us anywhere.

Not similar at all. Not sure what point you were going for here...

The quote was directly from the article as attributed to the moron in question. Bringing up possible counterpoints is, indeed, a good tactic if you raise valid points that are debatable. Raising points that have no basis in reality as if they were real merely means that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Perhaps we should get an explanation from the President on why his employees keep making these same types of mistakes. Usually when this sort of thing happens it means that there's an organizational flaw that's flowing down from the top. It needs to be addressed asap.

I think he's getting at the point that illegal immigration is pretty clearly defined at the state level in California as well. It's different in that California treats the issue like D.C. does and not Arizona even though all three jurisdictions' laws are pretty similar.

This...

And following details.

Is this not the same basis upon which the Arizona law is based? A lawful contact, resulting in the SUSPICION that a person is illegal and what to do about it?

No. In California, you have to be arrested. In Arizona, you only need lawful contact (since replaced with "stop, detention, or arrest", but since a Terry stop is a detention AFAIK, until someone tells me otherwise, it's pretty much the same) which can be very far removed from arrest. I very much suspect that NO ONE here has a problem with checking a person's ID, for immigration status or anything else, once arrested.

It is not at all clear whether the characterization was Michael Posner's or Foster Klug's (Foster Klug being the author of the AP story).

And there's absolutely nothing in the story that suggests an "apology."

Guys, guys...

All this does is prove that the current administration is the most inept and incompetent in...well, I really can't think of an administration in the history of the United States that has been worse. To my defense I only really remember back to Carter though.

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Yeah, they're probably worse than the Carter Administration.

I remember back to before Carter - and you're right.
They're worse.

My mother remembers back to Roosevelt, (Frankie, not Teddy) and she agrees - this is waaaaaaaaaaaay worse.

Not so sure this administration is worse than Carter's. Sure, they're significantly worse at being undisciplined spendthrifts, but when there is a major diplomatic, political and military crisis on the other side of the world and Obama sends in a few helicopters, six months later, to deal with the situation, then I'll concede that the Obama administration has beaten Carter for being dismally incompetent. For now, though the administration's foreign relations dealings have been less than stellar, the only area in which this adminstration has shown itself to be the most incompetent in recent history is economics. Even in that area, though, they have yet to beat Hoover and Roosevelt.

There is little point in demanding that China recognise its own human rights abuses if you do not recognise your own.

Wow.....you are really not seeing the differing degrees of abuse here?
I thought petrified wood was dense, but DAMN!