U.S., Mexican presidents say key issues must be tackled together

Bullshit! Fuck Mexico! Keep your people on your own side of the border unless they cross it legally.

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I can't believe he's licking Calderon's balls. The president of a third world shithole that is causing serious crime and economic problems comes to your house to bitch at you--in Spanish--that you aren't enough of a pussy and you roll over!?

A real President would've pimp-slapped the guy kicked him out and told him to find a cab to the airport.

I guess that sort of treatment is only reserved for our Middle Eastern allies when they stand up to terrorists.

A year and a half and we've become the laughingstock of the world.

Fuck you, ass hat.

Clean up your own goddamned house, then you can comment on the way someone else chooses to run theirs.

It is not "criminalizing migration." It's a sovereign nation enforcing it's own established border without regard for your peoples' imagined entitlement to access and employment. You break the law, you are criminals, and we don't require your approval for our policies.

I wish someone in the MSM would have the courage to ask the Mexican President to defend the way his country deals with illegals then ask him how he can then condemn AZ immigration law which is far tamer than anything Mexico has.

Illegal immigration wasn't such a problem until the 1990s. Now the right is going batshit crazy about it. Why do you suppose that was?

Because in 1980 the Pew Hispanic Research Center estimated illegal immigration to be ~130,000 a year.

By the mid-90s it sextupled to ~750,000 a year.

That's what I mean. Why did it increase?

Because the U.S. keeps jacking up minimum wage.

Not in real-terms, it doesn't.

And Reagan allowed amnesty, which was supposed to go into effect along with tougher fines on illegal employers and better border protection. Illegal immigration skyrocketed after that.

I think we should issue everyone in the world a dual citizenship.

I would suggest that NAFTA had a lot to do with it too.

Compared to Mexico, hell yes.

Gross incompetence by the PRI and nationalization of the banks led to massive devaluation.

The 2nd nationalization and currency devaluation hit in 1982, right when things started really cooking on the 'sneak across the border' front.

Of course, massive corruption in Mexico certainly helped, including outright fraud in the 1988 election of Ernesto Zedillo. The PRI regularly commited fraud at the ballot box.

There's a bit more stabilty, and certainly less corruption in every day governmental life in Mexico in the last decade.

Of course, that's when the drug lords came back. The ongoing war against them is said to have caused 22.5k deaths in the last three years.

Basically, it's a mess down there.

However, with the economic crisis and more anti-illegal polices in place, illegal immigration is actually declining in the last 2-3 years from its height in 2007, where over a million people illegally crossed the border to stay.

Yeah, I don't know about that really. I wouldn't think it would - trade to the US tripled under NAFTA, which in theory should mean better jobs and more of them down in Mexico. It was a net drain of employment in the States, though it helped corporations and consumers here.

I've heard a lot of different opinons on that one, but I honestly don't see personally how getting more jobs in Mexico would allow for more illegal immigration here, unless it simply lowered border protections and made it easier to get in.

The problem is that of subsidised American agricultural products driving Mexican farmers out of business. The same as in Haiti and other countries, incidentally.

http://borderbattles.ssrc.org/Portes/

An honest debate would look at causes like these and take steps to mitigate or reverse them if necessary, rather than run on the kind of whipped-up hysteria and fearmongering that the immigration debate currently consists of.

Because we gullably granted amnesty under Reagan?

I hold about as much regard for Mexicans as they do for us...

Fuck you Mexico!

The first tackling I want done is Obama and Calderone tackling the illegal before he gets across the border.

Funny, nothing in your link discusses subsidies. It talks about American agribusiness driving Mexican farmers out of business - but then, they've driven American farmers out of business too.

Should the world attempt to stop cheap food? Is that 'better?' I think you can certainly make a reasonable argument against that concept.

That being said, as most farm goods are produced by corporations in the West now, there's little need to subsidize corporate products IMO.

Remembering that agriculture plays a much larger role in developing economies than it does in developed ones, preventing first world agribusiness from destroying indigenous development in that sector of third world economies would be 'better', yes.
It's not really the same thing as ending cheap food, of course.

What prevents the locals from choosing to buy the higher-priced local foodstuffs?

In related news (that I can't believe hasn't been posted here yet):

More at the link.



Go fuck yourself, Mister Mexico President.

From my cold, dead hands.