Round Two: Aid Ship Approaches Gaza, Israel Vows Action

While we are talking about a blockade, I hate to be anyone near the bathroom tomorrow when mine gets breached......

it will no doubt be considered a hostile act.

There's only one way for your peeps to make their case, Megatron: kick Hamas out of Palestine, stop harboring terrorists, stop BEING terrorists, stop the fatwas, jihads, honor killings, degradation of women, the attacks on cartoonists over depictions of Mohammed, etc, et al.

Actions speak louder than words, and the actions of the practitioners of Islam the world over give lie to your claims. If YOU PEOPLE think your religion is 'the religion of peace' then you'd all better get off your asses and reclaim it from the bad guys- because right now people like myself are watching and thinking the only cure is eradication, if we are ever going to be able to live in peace.

Eventually the middle east is going to run out of oil and then there will be NO REASON to coddle those fucking psychos. When that happens, stand the fuck by.

And another cartoon that sums the situation up quite nicely.

Do you make the same demands of Israel? If not, why not?

In what way is Israel guilty of those exact same acts? Draconian security measures and heavy-handed retaliation, yes, but the shit Marso actually listed there?

Some of that, and lots of other shit too.
Of course, when anyone points it out, they're dismissed as anti-Semites, the usual excuses are trotted out, and it's all despatched to the memory hole.

http://www.wordforge.net/showthread.php?t=72407

That just in the last episode.

So wait, Isreal harbors terrorists, issues fatwas/jihads, engages in honor killings, degrades women, attacks cartoonists over depictions of Mohammed...???

Are you on crack?

I wonder if that insanely high population density in Gaza isn't the main problem here. Must be hard to retaliate or secure things at all without being accused of indescriminate heavy-handedness.

All the more reason not to tolerate terrorists in your neighborhood, I say. You may be innocent, but if you want to live, you'll either remove yourself or the terrorists from the immediate vicinity.

Because Israel is defending themselves.
Because Israel hasn't called for the destruction of its neighbors.
Because Israel holds the same values as America: liberty, equality justice under the law, freedom of religion, etc.

And....so on. One country 'over there' is like us. The rest aren't. Some of us know who the good guys and the bad guys are. Whaddayagonnado?

Well, two things:

1. He hates America anyway.

2. I don't give a good God damn what he thinks.

Hey, in Israel you can still be a Christian without going to prison or being stoned for being a Christian.
That means being able to wear a crucifix and carry a Bible if you so choose.
Try that in any Muslim country

Actually, there's plenty of Muslim countries that have no problem with Christians in their midst.

The problem seems to come when you decide to stop being Muslim. There is some truly vicious shit in the Quran about what to do with apostates, and there are quite a few Muslim nations that take that shit seriously compared to the rather secular Christianity in the West.

The 'good guys' get free license to target civilians, use human shields, steal territory, destroy property and restrict aid by virtue of being 'like us'. Interesting. And revealing.

Can't argue with someone who's intellectually dishonest.

Is everyone but Israel and the US intellectually dishonest? The human rights groups obviously have conspired with each other and the nasty Muslims to make those stories about brave Israel up!

Yep. Kill all that oppose and make the rest submit like dogs.

One of those statements that become true if you write it enough times.

Cool. Now how do you propose we do that?

How so? Most Muslims would LOVE to do what you said above but many are either a. powerless or b. have no controlled command to do so.

There is nothing to 'reclaim'. A religion, ideology or even ideas cannot just be 'hijacked'. The 'bad guys' have bombs and armory with which they make loud bangs. We do not.

Ah, so because a whole lot of Black people are drug addicted idiots we gotta arrest every Black person in the USA? What about Hispanics, ALL of them illegal? Should Austria have been eradicated because they produced Hitler? See my point?

You do understand that Middle Eastern oil won't be running out for at least the next 400 years right?

Here's the thing: take out the dictatorial governments of the mid-East, slaughter each and every Hamas/AlQuida/Taliban, spread non-religious education and don't occupy mid-East lands for years and years, and then see how the 'regular Muslims' actually behave with the West. I assure you, that is the only way that there will ever be everlasting 'peace' between the West and them.

This is one example why we treat Israel and the Pally's differently. No Israeli did that, just Pally pigshit.

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You are no better. You're the first to rely on sketchy information and emotionally inflammatory propaganda in order to criticize Israel's every move. When you're presented with information counter to your own prejudices, you simply disregard it.

Personally, I don't think it's Islam that's to blame. The people from that area I've had to deal with are a combative, tribal people that don't know the meaning of "peaceful demonstration". The moment something pisses them off, they fly into a rage and then out comes the moltov cocktails and stone chucking. They are an immature people who've not yet realized there are different ways to deal with things other than throw temper tantrums and kill people.

They don't have an inferior religion, but they certainly have an inferior culture, and they need to collectively grow the fuck up. The problem would still exist if they were Buddhist, Scientologists, or Jehovah Witnesses.

I think you may have nailed it right there.

Red herring. The sins of one side do not justify or excuse those of the other.

Such as?

I have to disagree. Certainly a large part of it is the tribal nature, however, Islam is by no means the 'religion of peace.' It almost immediately transformed into a conquering movement, and some of the first acts of the emigrants to Medina were to start raiding Meccan caravans.

As their prophet gave official sanction from Allah to commit acts of war against those they believe had wronged them, the argument that the Qu'ran itself forbids these actions in the name of peace is wrong.

While certainly official sanction from the Pope had been given to Holy War, Christianity didn't start that way, and Jesus explicitly said to turn the other cheek - not raid their trade and seize their cities.

There's all sorts of justification for violence on a institutional level in the Quran. Hell, the first and greatest martyr was Hamza, Muhammed's uncle, who died in the war against Mecca before it was conquered.

Certainly there are aspect of Muslim tradition that have outgrown those concepts, but without a doubt violence is enshrined as the way of Allah - there's no higher honor than martyrdom.

Quran 3-169-170:

Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise): they fight in His Cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in Truth, through the Torah, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his Covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

If anything, these tribal warlords are closer to Islam as it was initially practiced.

There's been a huge change in the philosophical movement of Islam against violent fundamentalism, especially in the scholarly aspects in Egypt that was the foundation of the Muslim Brotherhood and later Al Qaeda.

However, the arguments made there ISN'T that the words of the Qu'ran can't be taken literally on the grounds of how to deal with apostates and those who take back holy ground (ie any ground once owned by Muslims).

Instead it was taken from the fact that the current jihad was targeted as often at believers (fellow Muslims), especially in the Iraq insurgency, and that overall the cost to the Muslim world of battling the infidels was far higher than was acceptable. That the military might of the West made it against the will of Allah to currently engage in the warfare as too many Muslims would be hurt.

Now, there's a large moderating influence in Islam as well, but there's also the belief that there are two classes of humans - those who practice under God's law, and those who don't. The rules are VERY different between those two, and the fundamentalists still feel fully justified in their actions because of the Qu'ran.

^ I am sure a case can be made about violence in Christianity also. Especially in the old Testament where you were suppose to stone queers caught in the act of teh buttsex and where the Hebrews went and killed every man, woman and child in an area because God commanded them to.

There are violent Muslims and nonviolent ones. Just as there are good christians and ones who want homos to DIAF. Thing is, some people are just assholes, and will find any reason to justify it and/or 'fit in'.

You know you're fucking insane when Tasvir is the voice of reason in comparison.

Let us know when that happens.

Mahmoud... What is taking you so long? Hurry up with GODDAMN BOMB AND KILL THAT HEADACHE LIKE AN EXCEDRIN!!!!

We've been over it. Your interpretation of recent events is in conflict with available evidence and common sense. In particular, your interpretation of the autopsy article shows that you can't evaluate the evidence impartially. Those results were 100% consistent with the IDF's version of the story (and the video evidence) but you somehow seemed to think it proved otherwise. You don't agree with that of course.