Motor scooter riding gunman driving around killing people in France

This has been going on for a couple of days but wasn't big news until today. He shot some soldiers the other day, but today he's hit a Jewish school, killing kids and adults, which has brought it into the big news.

With the pattern of targets (soldiers, a Jewish institution) it could be a Muslim, however it was stated that all the soldiers were off duty and of african origin, so it could also be a white supremacist type (who would also naturally hate Jews).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17426313

It could also be one of your neo-nutzi white power friends.

Extremely unlikely. The article clearly points out that all three of the soliders shot were of North African origin (and not just "African origin," as you wrote). A Muslim would not be targeting other Muslims. This is obviously an extreme-right nutjob, not a Muslim.

Furthermore, though it is likely, it has not yet been established that the shootings of soldiers are connected to the shooting at the school. It is fairly likely, being in the same part of France (a long way from here, in case anyone is wondering), but no one is saying it for sure at this point.

While we have no information on this case, to say Muslim terrorists don't target other Muslims is so far from the facts of the world as to border on the absurd. Muslims kill each other almost daily in terror attacks.

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I think France just bombed the crap out of North Africa, and I can't imagine that North Africans would think much of North African French soldiers if they weren't on the side benefiting from the bombings, or if they lost a loved one, etc.

^ Sorry, but you're both just showing your ignorance of how things work over here. No matter how much you would like random violence to always come from Muslims, this simply doesn't fit the scenario. It could vaguely be possible that a Libyan faithful to Gadhaffi would have gotten into France and targeted French soldiers, but he wouldn't specifically target North Africans. And that would have to mean it was totally unrelated to the shooting at the school.

The chances of this being a white supremist or at the very least a far-right anti-immigrantion nut are on the order of 99% or more.

Again, I am not commenting on this specific case as I don't have the facts. Neither do you. You might well be correct in this case. BTW, your view rides on the assumption that the shooter knew the nationality of the soldiers and was not just shooting at the uniform.

I am stating that your comment that Muslims are unlikely to target other Muslims in terror attacks is patently false. Muslims bomb and kill each other daily. Beyond that, even without specifically targeting each other they show a compete lack of regard for Muslim collateral casualties as we see again quite frequently and on 9/11.

Wait a minute, are you taking bets?

Admittedly, this is the first I've heard of French white supremacists. Are they kinda like Illinois Nazis?

1) At least one of them was not in uniform when he was shot.

2) There were two separate shooting incidents involving soldiers. The chance that all those who were shot just happened to be of North African origin is very slim.

My comment was made in this context. It is by no means a claim that Muslims, in general, do not attack other Muslims. But the idea of racially-based killings, targeting Muslims and Jews, being carried out by a Muslim, is rather strange. When Muslims attack other Muslims, it is for reasons that are not based simply on them being Muslims.

In this context, with what is known about the case so far, I maintain that it is ridiculously unlikely that the killer was a Muslim. If it was a problem between Muslims, he wouldn't have gone to a Jewish school and shot at kids. If it was simply a Muslim who has a problem with Jews, he wouldn't have shot at other Muslims.

Unless it turns out that the two types of shooting (the attacks on soldiers last week and the attack at the school this morning) are unrelated incidents that just happened to be in the same area, it is pretty likely that this is the extreme right, perhaps even neo-Nazi.

I don't know what Illinois Nazis are. There are some "France belongs to white French people" ideas kicking around over here. (Oddly enough, they are not bothered by my wife and me, even though neither of us is French--which shows that the "white" part counts for more than the "French" part.) There are even some really fringe neo-Nazi groups. Normally, none of them are particularly violent (fortunately; if this happened regularly, it could set off something really bad) but one of them who went off the deep end for some reason or another could decide that the best thing is to "kill some furriners."

[YT="I Hate Illinois Nazis"]-ukFAvYP3UU[/YT]

So, probably the one legitimate chance I'd ever get to kill one of those scooter-riding assbags, and I live in the wrong part of the world. Figures.

Apostle: We have some North Africans shot, some Jews shot, and I still don't see why it is stupid to suspect the killer(s) might be neo-Nazis. Sure, they might be some other group but neo-Nazis have a history of not liking both North Africans and Jews so why not keep your snarky comments to yourself or at least say something meaningful?

BTW I finding it very unlikely a Muslim terrorist group goes around killing North Africans even if they are French soldiers. Stupid, indeed.

The news reports here the last couple of days have been about police following up leads on some guys who were kicked out of the army for neo-Nazi ties, but to everyone's surprise, it looks like the guy was a Muslim extremist after all. I admit I was wrong, working on probabilities rather than specific knowledge (like everyone else; the general assumption everywhere was that it was neo-Nazi related) and the small chance came up after all:

So Midnight Funeral and apostle83 and were right after all and I was wrong.

It happens.

To be fair, the article never actually specifies he's a Muslim, just that he declared himself to be a member of AQ. He might just be a nut job who thinks he's in AQ. Or maybe he's a hard-core jihadist. More will be revealed.

This is true. But highly unlikely. He's not just some shut-in weirdo pretending to be AQ, since he's actually been over to Pakistan and/or Afghanistan.

I take no pleasure being right on this. It's not like it brings back any of the dead.

Cant' get it to come up but a blurb on Drudge says America sent the shooter from Afghanistan back to France.

www.thejakartaglobe.com/afp/france-shootings-siege-live-report/506444

I wish someone would mirror that

Ok Drudge put up a better link:

Merah has spent considerable time in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Gueant said. Merah was sent back from Afghanistan to France by the U.S. Army, Paris prosecutor Francois Molins said in Toulouse Wednesday. He said Afghan police had checked Merah's identification during a traffic stop, and as a result he was handed over to the U.S. Army, which then put him on board the first plane heading to France.

But a senior U.S. military official gave a different version from the French prosecutor about what happened to the suspect in Afghanistan.

The senior U.S. military official told the CNN contributor Fran Townsend that the French shooting suspect was stopped by Afghan forces who tried to turn him over to the U.S. military. The U.S. directed them to hand Merah to French forces since he was a citizen of their country. He was given over the French military by the Afghans and the French military decided to return him to France, according to the source.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/21/french-shooting-suspect-was-self-styled-al-qaeda-jihadist/

Hopefully we've learned a valuable lesson here today. Suspecting a Muslim is usually a safe bet. It's what they do.

Drudge screen grab

Why do some people seem to have troubles with drudge? Is it blocked in workplaces or whatever?

No you dumb ass....

The first link I provided was this one:

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/afp/f...-report/506444

I got it from Drudge.

It didn't work.

Apparently Drudge went back and replaced it with the one from CNN hence my posting hte second link.

Then you took your fucking screenshot you blistering idiot.

Are you being serious?

He's dead Jim.

http://www.theprovince.com/touch/news/story.html?id=6341153

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...umping-from-window-firing-madly-16134650.html

"I generally shoot very violently when I'm shooting....."

That kind of stuff has to be meanings being lost in translation. Probably more along the lines of "shooting wildly".

For some reason I don't think French law enforcement encounter a whole bunch of shootouts, so any shooting probably freaks them out.

You forgot the conveyor belt.