The NRA goes after Sasha and Malia.

I hope nobody in charge of this cluterfuck has used the term "if we can save just one life". Want to save not one but potentially hundreds/thousands of lives? Stop releasing the criminally insane after a few years to commit the same crimes. How many times has a criminal killed someone and then we all find out that they had been convicted of rape, murder, bank robbery, etc. etc. and then released. Hell, sometimes they aren't out of prison for a month or two before someone ends up dead. Or is that just too fucking simple?

It's not simple, we'd have to restructure our system that dictates who goes to jail and for how long. I'm sure there's a lot of people serving ridiculous sentences for stupid reasons, leading the repeat offenders to be released.

Times a' wastin' then. You have to start sometime! Everyone agrees the justice system is FUBAR, but with 5 percent of the world's population and 90 percent of the lawyers (or something like that) America will have a tough time changing.

After the staged dog and pony show Obama just did I'm surprised they're making an issue with it. If you can't take it, don't dish it.

The NRA is a wack-a-loon organization for sure, but I don't know if we should summarilly dismiss the argument about at least 1 armed officer in every school. I grew up and went to school in an inner city school and we had officers on campus but I don't recall if they were armed or not.

I also think that additional regulation of assault weapons and large capacity magazines should be on the table as well. There is this romanticized notion that we as an armed citizenery will rise up and overthrow a despotic government that has gone awry. I really don't know how feasible that is. My honest opinion is that those who foster this fantasy... well, I have to question how much they believe in the peaceful transfer of power throughout our nation's history. I believe that the 2nd amendment has had very little to do with that.

Fucking 1 percenter assholes, right?

Those people are always wanting to take away things from us but they don't feel it should apply to them. Hypocrits.

Right?

Good.

I can understand wanting to ban large capacity magazines. Not saying I agree with it, that's a valid argument and one worth having, IMHO.

Banning large capacity magazines in addition to banning "assault weapons", OTOH makes no sense to me. Without the large capacity magazine, an "assault weapon" is no different than any other semi-auto rifle. Why go after both?

The funny part is that they *ahem* jumped the gun with that ad, given that Executive Orders 12, 18, and 19 provide for that.

Stop calling them assault weapons maybe? If they're really just semi-automatic rifles, call them that. When people hear assault weapon, they think military-grade firearms. Calling it a rifle makes people less inclined to panic. Basing the design and name (but not making them automatic) after military-grade firearms also isn't helpful.

Stop?

How?

Gun owners aren't the ones who keep calling them assault weapons.

That's your side.

Actually, it's the media. Any ideas how to edumacate them?

Who do you think STARTED calling them Assault Weapons?

Why are you under the impression that the media wants to be educated or would respond positively to such an education?

I'm not. But would the attempt be any less productive than the current game of "You called them that first!" "No u"?

Well, to be fair what started all of this WAS an Assault Rifle - a Type 56 Rifle which is a Chinese knock off of an AK-47, in the Cleveland School Shooting in 1989.

That was followed by the 101 California Street shooting where the attacker used 2 TEC-9s modified with Hellfire triggers which made them functionally full autos.

That's what got the 'assault weapon' ban rolling, which caused Executive Orders banning importation of weapons by Bush 41 and Clinton, and the Congressional AWB which inlcuded that and domestic manufacture.

"Assault Rifle" is what the military uses. "Assault Weapon" is a name given to semi-automatic versions of Assault Rifles by the media.

There is no difference between the media and you and all other leftists. You're all on the same side.

False.

The "Type 56" is an AK-47/AKM clone in full auto. That is an "assault rifle".

The civilian version, however, (which the Cleveland School shooter had) is called the MAK-90. I personally have one. That's NOT an "assault rifle".

Assault rifles are able to fire in a full auto mode.

Try again.

Yes, I know that.

The point being that 'military style' weapons are often easier to convert to fully auto, and while that might not make a huge difference in most situations when it comes to semi vs fully, it is something that was already illegal and therefore easier to politically justify.

This isn't opinion - its clear from the history of how these laws came into fruition that was the intent.

Actually, you did. That's exactly what you're implying if you ask or demand someone to explain why they need something which you are trying to argue is a harm to society. The implication is very clear that the only reason one would "need" something that you argue is a harm to to society is to harm society, unless they can come up with a legitimate defense for it. This acts not only to put someone who has done no wrong on the defensive, it flies completely in the face of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Huh? Did you accidentally post a reply to something else here?

Yep, that's really helping your side of the argument. Keep it up.

I've found multiple articles indicating that it was a Type 56 Rifle - its possible those are made with and without selector switches. It appears the Type 84S model is a civilianized version chambered for 5.56.

Could be that that original reports were incorrect and that it wasn't this. Some of them simply read 'AK-47'.

I haven't seen any reports that indicated it was a MAK-90. Of course, that would have been REALLY hard - as the '90 is the date of first manufacture, and that's after that date that the Cleveland School massacre happened, in January of 1989.

Actually, Purdy's gun was a Type 56. A Type 56S, for semiautomatic. I distinctly remember that from the news coverage when the shooting happened.

Poly Tech imported those rifles in the mid-80s. The MAK-90 nomenclature didn't start getting used until 1990 (hence the "90" in it's model number). I've got one of those, too, as well as an NMH-91.

Yanno, Zombie, maybe if your side could get its terminology straight...

Exactly. For the left, and the media (but I repeat myself), it's really very simple:

Ouch! BURN!

[action=Chaos Descending]slinks away in shame.[/action]

OK, CD was wrong on the type but right that it wasn't fully auto - I stand corrected.

My understanding is that Purdy actually had a bayonet, so that's probably why they banned that.

The stocks and pistol grips are used in various ways with 'bump' fire, which can make any semiauto weapon fire at close to full auto speeds. The arguments on how silly they are I am pretty skeptical of.

Again, a rampage killer with a semiauto weapon standing in front of a crowd doesn't need to be accurate, he just needs ammo.