How's it go, winners never quit?

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  1. ed629

    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    I guess he decided to quit today. Was sitting in a parking lot and watched the guy change the marquee.

    I like his style.

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  2. Dan Leach

    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    Oddly enough, saw this on FB today...

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  3. RickDeckard

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    Winners never quit. Quitters never win.

    I used to believe that.
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Never give up, never surrender! :bailey:
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  5. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    And why pray-tell don't you believe this anymore?
  6. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    If the Wi-Fi is free, why the hell do they have credit card logos attached?

    And what the hell is a Krystal?
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Yanno, when I put my heart and soul into shit in HS, I'd always fall flat or come up short.

    And then, I got into the military, had to wait out two years before I could take my first advancement exam--and by that time, I gave absolutely no fucks about the Navy or moving up one step closer to being like any of that lot. I didn't study a whit on my own.

    I made it with over seven points--meanwhile a guy in my division that had been in longer than myself and took it three times before this came up short by about five points.

    Just goes to show that the military seems to run on its own set of rules. :trollface:
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    Krystal is a poor man's White Castle, primarily down South, and they ruin their already-bad burgers with mustard.
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  12. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    :facepalm: This explains a lot about our military.
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  13. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Been there, done that. Sometimes not giving a shit relaxes your mind and you end up doing better. Sometimes fate has a mind of it's own!
    That said, in the long run putting forth your best effort (not manically obsessed, but focused) will achieve success much more often than not.

    If you quit you never know just how far you could have gotten. If you don't quit but keep on plugging away your luck will almost always turn for the better. Set-backs are just that....not solid walls that stop you completely.

    And I have no clue how The Navy promotes, only The Air Force and Army.
    The Air Force (when I was in way back when) seemed pretty fair. The sharp people got promoted. The Army?......words fail me. The rarely promote somebody kick-ass like Anc......Baba however would be a six-star general inside of a month, count on it.
  14. Amaris

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    Probably for similar reasons as my own.

    It seems that, anymore, hard work and dedication is the quickest way to being a sucker. Employers, friends, family, anyone who sees that you're useful, honest, and ethical, will use the shit out of you until you need help, at which point they will cast you aside and find another mark.

    In the workplace, the asshole who farts around and does little but appears to look busy isn't fired, while the guy who always did his job is let go because of "unavoidable cut-backs."

    If you're rich, not due to your own making, or considered "hot" in the newsmedia or popular entertainment, you don't have to work. You will have everything handed to you solely on the basis that someone who HAS money wants to either fuck you, or make more money off of your family lineage.

    The game is rigged. It doesn't matter how hard you work anymore. While some politicos will push the age old idea that hard work = success, it's actually more a combination of strategic "hard" work + being in the right place at the right time + knowing the right people = success.

    People who work hard all of their lives will just have more callouses on their hands when they're finally buried.
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    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    To give a brief explanation of Navy advancement, which may end up not being so brief because it's stupid as all hell, there are several factors given:

    -Test score
    -Evaluations
    -time in rate
    -Passed but Not Advanced (more on that in a minute)
    -awards
    -education points

    If there's one I'm missing, another Navy person can point it out. But from top to bottom, those are the things that add up to what's called a multiplier, Depending on the quota for the rate, the minimum multiplier for advancement may significantly change with each advancement cycle. When I got advanced, the multiplier was about 156 (or 21 percent of all who passed moved up). The cycle before that, it was 187 (3 percent), and the one before that was 163 (10 percent).

    As some rates are over- or undermanned, advancement is harder or easier than some. My own rate is one that's chronically overmanned, so it's not unheard of for someone to have to take the exam as many as five times to be promoted*--and this is where those lovely PNA points come in. Many times they've helped a sailor that can git 'er done at work, but doesn't do so well on the test to get promoted--that, along with awards, such as those presented after a tour in a combat zone and points for completing a degree while on active duty are the little ones that put those on the boarder over the top. But the test and evaluation (worth between 70 to 90 points by itself) are the two biggest factors.

    *I'd be remiss to point out that my own rate is in supply, and thus needs only the bare minimum ASVAB score to get put into, so there are plenty who either aren't booksmart, or lazy at their job or both. On the flip side, you can be a smart mother fucka who's lazy and make rate in five years just from reading the manuals! :trollface:

    As someone who admittedly can benefit from the system, I prefer the Amry/Marines' way of advancement--pick your tour and you get promoted accordingly. Tours on the front get faster promotion than being on a base in Bumfuck, Middle of America. Wish there was something like that in place for the Navy, because it's easy for anyone to work the system and get undeserved promotions just off evals alone. :jayzus:
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    I totally disagree with "awards" being a factor in promotion. Getting the award the first time IS "the award". It shouldn't count again. It's like giving one of your two kids a dollar for a job well done for saving lost puppies or something. It's recognition for doing something special. Then six months later their grandfather asks the two kids who has more money in their pockets. When puppy saver produces that dollar, the grandfather is impressed that he has more than the other kid, and gives him five dollars.

    And often you get better awards because your boss (or whoever recommends your award) writes them up better. If your boss turns in the award paperwork late...it gets downgraded. Or, you just happen to be placed in a position where there are opportunities to rise above your peers, so you get more awards. Awards are bullshit 99 percent of the time - totally hit-or-miss luck of the draw....unless they are for legitimate bravery, and how often do we hear of someone getting them fifty years after the fact because the military fucked up the paperwork?
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  17. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Fixing the quote pyramid because :finger:

    TL;DR: the system helps those who barely managed to get through high school advance, and yet some idiots still manage to fall short.
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  18. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Pretty much...There is a Navy Achievement Medal that one had to more or less save another sailor or the ship to get. Now, those things get passed out like candy and short of being kicked out the Navy completely, you're guaranteed to get one.

    One chick had even accidentally dropped her ENTIRE magazine of her M4 over the side of the ship, getting her gun quals pulled and fucking over my entire duty section because of it...hell, with the incompetence she'd shown for the whole time she'd been there before that, I was honestly surprised it ended with just that. AND a NAM when she left... :jayzus:
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    Because I've learned that sheer perseverance and dedication does not a winner make. Natural aptitude is at least as important. You've got to know when to quit.

    This lesson has not entirely been to my detriment.
  20. tafkats

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    You've just described the basis for our entire economic system. The more money you have, the more plentiful the opportunities to make more will be. But if you're poor, we're going to damn well make sure you stay that way.
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    I agree with only part of this - "natural aptitude" is important. That said, let's assume two people have about the same amount of aptitude, and no other advantages such as favoritism. In other words, a truly level playing field.
    Sheer dedication and perseverance will then make the winner. And sorry, you do not have to know when to quit. Nature hates a quitter!

    I've used this comparison before, but let's consider the mountain lion. 90 percent of the time it fails in it's attempt to capture and eat it's prey. But if it ever wakes up and says "fuck this. I'll never catch shit today. The odds are stacked against me" it starves. Yes, human life is more complex...or is it really? Maybe we just over-think it. We become our own worst enemies.

    I'll take myself as an example of winners never quitting. Learning disabled (among other mental problems and psychological disorders) and skeletal deformities and other physical anomalies that spell out nerd/loser/freak by anybody's standard.

    But one thing I do no not have is the "quit gene." I keep on going despite being woefully in over my head whether mentally or physically. :yes:
    My kids are the same as me. They initially fail, get pissed off and otherwise vent, then stop and regroup....shake it off and try again, with a better strategy. We are not gifted in anything, and are always the slowest and weakest at the beginning of every nearly endeavor. If you are a betting man and don't know us from Adam, the "smart money" won't be on us. But stick with us and you will be pleasantly surprised. :yes:
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    Obviously.

    If you do not have sufficient natural aptitude, it is the right thing to do, and you are better off concentrating on things that you can succeed in. Continuing to perservere hopelessly is the path to self-destruction.

    Yeah, "never quit" is a great motivational slogan, but you shouldn't take it too literally.
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Your results may vary! I'm just saying what works for me. I think it's implied that once you are on a certain path (by choice or by neccessity) stick with it.
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    Was he using a ladder, or a pole with a suction? I used the pole when I worked at a cinema. Changing a marquee is a pain in the ass. I'm not surprised he quit.
  25. ed629

    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    Both, he changed the sign, walked off to his car and left.
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    A few weeks ago, the local cinema had, at the top of its marquee, NOW HIRING and, directly under that, SCARY MOVIE 5.

    It amuses me to assume that one led directly to the other.
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    If I had a band, I'd have some great names to light up the venue marquee:

    TEN DOLLAR BEERS
    CLOSED FOR REPAIRS
    CRIME SCENE
    BUBONIC PLAGUE QUARANTINE SITE

    I can't believe I sold out and got a nine-to-five job! What was I thinking?
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  28. Nautica

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    Yeah, those are great band names--if you never want to actually HAVE an audience.

    Maybe try the following instead:
    NICKEL BEER NIGHT
    WET T-SHIRT CONTEST
    CHEAP SLUT PALOOZA
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    I'm more of the dont let the bastards grind ya down motto myself :)
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    Well, I'd post my real motto, but I can only say "kill them all" so many times before the nice men in black fatigues come to get me.