Abramsverse 3-next movie in 2017 (?) Might Focus on War with Klingons

They did.
A little thing called the third season of Enterprise.

Point taken. That was awful.

Except, no offense intended here, your United States is kinda borg like.

Not for long.

Chinawank I see.

China's "glorious future" is largely imaginary. They'll face demographic implosion before then due to the one child policy.

President Kitchens ladies and gentleman.


"Meh, they're not that big a threat."

When have we heard that before?

You don't remember the late 1980s when the big, bad Japanese were so great that they were going to overtake the U.S. economically and some people even predicted another U.S./Japanese War sometime in the future. ?

What I remember about the 80s was that your country was still in a nuclear standoff with the Soviet Union. That was nice and safe, wasn't it?

Tell me, what was Japan's population in the 1980s compared to China today?

How many nuclear weapons does Japan have?

How many nuclear power allies does china presently have?

It's not just about economic revival. Think about it.

Goody, another Dayton-related thread derailment.

That would also be extremely similar to First Contact.

I'm as fast to laugh at Dayton as anybody, but he's right about this.

Oh, I don't think that's true. I think a good film could be made that involved the Enterprise far from home. Besides, the whole "something's attacking Earth and we're the only ship in the quadrant" bit is running thin.

Yeah, but no one's done it on the big screen or with real scale. If you saw REAL SUFFERING AND REPRESSION going on ON EARTH in a film, it would be a powerful dilemma for Kirk and co. to overcome.

But I feel Star Trek's fallen into the trap of always putting the Earth PHYSICALLY at stake. Remember in one of the Austin Powers films when Dr. Evil says "Let's just do what we always do: hijack some nuclear weapons and hold the world hostage?" I feel Star Trek is falling into that same rut: "Let's just do what we always do: have a really pissed-off bad guy with a grudge and a superweapon threaten to destroy the Earth." This one fits the Star Wars pattern because you know the superweapon's probably going to get blowed-up real good at the end.

Of course, I guess if bad guys did take control of our heroes' home, it would be accused of being a Dark Knight Rises rip-off.

given the way this guy is suddenly receiving lavish praise, and the fact that he's partnering with the JJ megalith on a TV series, my money is on Alfonso Cuarón as the director of NuTrek 3

Having the heroes be in danger of losing is how you create drama.

A movie where the Federation is dealt lots of setbacks and has to struggle for survival is good drama.

A movie where the Federation spends two hours handily defeating all its enemies is a fanboy wankfest.

I want to see a Star Trek movie where Scotty says, "I CAN' DO IT, CAP'N! I DON' HA' THE POWERRRR!"

Yeah! That's the Trek I want to see.

I would argue that "Into Darkness" is a fanboy wankfest.

Just for a different set of fanboys.

And winning a war does not mean that it is easy. The U.S. was winning in the Pacific Theatre against Japan from Midway onward. That is for more than three years.

That doesn't make Okinawa, the liberation of the Philippines, and half a hundred other struggles against Japan any less dramatic.

About the only thing you wouldn't call a wankfest would be if they produced your own one man wankfest.

Well, maybe CaptainExecutiveProducer could help you in the erecting of a gripping story.

I'm uncertain as to what you are talking about.

Personally, I believe my vision for Star Trek would attract plenty of fans and would be really great for tie in merchandising.

Erase the Pakleds from history and suddenly everyone gets Space AIDS. Turns out the Pakleds emitted a pheromone or something that prevented other species from contracting Space AIDS.

Based on some spoilers I've read, apparently Abrams' Klingons

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Yes, you are.
and no, based on your history, I doubt it would please any one besides you and maybe a dozen other folks.

Of the shit-having-hit variety no doubt.

If Abrams is replaced, as seems likely, perhaps whoever replaces him might pull off a Star Trek war film.

This is the most brilliant observation of the Star Trek mythos ever made. I have spoken.

The last time they did a mission on another planet, it was "Insurrection".

And you know how the moron studio suits think.
"If (insert idea) was explored shittily, that means the idea itself was bad...and WE CAN NEVER USE IT AGAIN!!!! ".

The setting was fine. It was the premise of that story that was aardvark shit. It was 2 hours of problem with a 5 minute solution: Settle the 70-odd aggro cancer patients on the other side of the friggin' planet so they can get better, leave the 300-odd Space Amish alone, and put a science vessel in orbit to study the Wharrgarbl Radiation so Starfleet could replicate it at home.

The setting was fine, it was the premise that was dumber than Paris Hilton.

Mmm...naaah, it was still a bland TNG episode.
I was bored hearing it leaked online.

It needed to be TOS-movie big.

Y'know how you do that?
Get rid of the stupid "Briar Patch", and have a Mexican standoff over the youth gas with the Klingons and Romulans and Cardassians.

Have it teeter the fucking galaxy.

Nooope, let's just have Crusher talk about her tender boobs, and Worf get a zit.

Also, if they're gonna do "Insurrection", go whole-hog with it.

"Ooooh, Picard disobeyed an ORDER!!".

Fuck that, have him gather the fleet, and overthrow the fucking government.

The Federation as depicted in the flick was rotten to its core, and nothing was done.

Sure, but that's still just part of the premise being baby food.

Yes, that. If Starfleet wanted it bad enough to go all BATF for it, then yeah, it should have been a much bigger, wider and more dangerous equation than it was. It should have been Spartacus epic and Snatch-level complicated, with the Enterprise playing the role of Mickey the Pikey.

Crusher being that long in the tooth as of Insurrection, who the hell gave a damn about her tits anymore, anyway?

Insurrection should have actually dealt with the Dominion War, seeing as how it was released right in the middle of DS9's seventh season...

The throwaway reference to the Dominion and Worf's unexplained appearance hurt the movie for me.