The Knockout Game

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Lanzman, Nov 19, 2013.

  1. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    Right, I get that. But what does that have to do with the knockout game?

    And @Forbin, I don't watch Fox, no idea who these people are, or the color of their skin. My statement regards toe words on the transcript.
  2. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2008
    Messages:
    15,570
    Location:
    Evil League of Evil Boardroom
    Ratings:
    +11,723
    As expected:
    • Agree Agree x 4
  3. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    Hardly surprising. Anybody who pays attention to crime stats would see that there has not been an increase in street assaults, which pretty much gives lie to the idea that this is a rampant problem. As I said before, this is about good art. Now some of the angst published by Fox seems to indicate that it's also about racism in mass media.

    But remember folks, if it isn't actually happening with any significance, it's not a problem, nor are any of the interpretations about black culture or calls for statements by Sharpton et al remotely meaningful.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  4. Zombie

    Zombie dead and loving it

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    45,044
    Ratings:
    +33,117
    It's no urban myth. Just Google the damn thing and you and see cases going back to 90's even the 80's.

    The difference between then and now is that a lot of it has happened in a short time period and has caught the medias attention and like the media usually does it blows it up to be something bigger then it is or might be.

    It's like the shark attacks in Florida. One year one kid got killed and one kid got injured and you would have thought the sharks were storming the beaches. The media was in a frenzy. But in the previous year there had been more attacks. It just wasn't something that caught the media's attention until two kids were the victims.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  5. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    Right, the argument isn't that it doesn't happen, just that it isn't the safety crisis some would imply.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2008
    Messages:
    15,570
    Location:
    Evil League of Evil Boardroom
    Ratings:
    +11,723
    Exactly. The myth is that there is something unusual or newsworthy going on. Isolated seemingly random assaults have always happened and there's simply nothing to indicate any kind of an uptick in such assaults or that there's suddenly a new well organized game nature tying together broad numbers of such assaults.

    There is no crisis, no indication of any meaningful change to the status quo.
    • Agree Agree x 3
  7. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    I'm going to install the knockout app on my phone and get going with this. It's gonna be bigger than foursquare is with the hipsters! I read there are bonus points earned if you can become mayor of an alley.
    • Agree Agree x 8
  8. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    43,616
    Location:
    All in your head
    Ratings:
    +30,540
    ...which were spoken by a black congressman.
  9. frontline

    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2004
    Messages:
    13,032
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Ratings:
    +8,290
    I think it serves as a commentary on the situational ethics and outcries of injustice. It also shows how excuses will be made for such behavior. Meanwhile were any other ethnicity the prime practitioner of this "game" there would be howls of outrage and no excuses would be permitted.
    Regardless of the time period in which this game has been played, be it a recent phenomena or old hat that is getting play now because the media is bored, it is still a safety issue when one punch can and has killed victims.
  10. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    81,024
    Location:
    front and center
    Ratings:
    +29,958
    When you sneak up on someone and hit them full force with all the leverage in the world, it can very well prove fatal, especially if you are young and strong and your victim is not.
  11. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    @frontline: I'm confused, who's trying to excuse it?
  12. frontline

    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2004
    Messages:
    13,032
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Ratings:
    +8,290
    Not you. Im talking about the comments by West about the miraculous silence by the poverty pimps and what is being said are excuses and rationalizations that have been reported.
  13. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    I'm not sure why those guys should be expected to comment, though. What's their interest in the topic? Why is it something that specifically demands a statement from one of them?
    • Agree Agree x 1
  14. frontline

    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2004
    Messages:
    13,032
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Ratings:
    +8,290
    That's my point exactly. They are ready to hurl invective and start unrest when it is politically advantageous to them, but as others have said so often, when it comes to real issues and self reflection they are amazingly mute on these issues. Instead, at best, they deflect and say that society and economics are to blame.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  15. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    But why is this an issue for them, as opposed to say, an issue for Rick Warren? Who at Fox is demanding action or words from him?
    • Agree Agree x 1
  16. Archangel

    Archangel Primus Peritia

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2008
    Messages:
    4,663
    Location:
    Gathering Place
    Ratings:
    +3,582
    Seriously, why does anyone even bother commenting on the poverty pimps / race baiters? Everyone with their head no firmly planted in their own ass knows what they are and where they will show up. It's kinda like complaining the KKK is racist...the reply is basically "ummm yeah...and?"
  17. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    43,616
    Location:
    All in your head
    Ratings:
    +30,540
    They're criticising Sharpton and Jackson because, when a white person hurts a black person, even if it's in self-defense, they go apeshit and stir up the rabble to riot-causing proportions. But when black people hurt white people for FUN, they remain silent. If they consider themselves leaders of the black community, they should be speaking up and condemning this behavior as being harmful to said black community - "confirming" that racially profiling young black men as violent and dangerous may be valid. Not speaking up just confirms to the world that those two are not "civil rights leaders", rather nothing but self-serving, race-baiting opportunistic rabble-rousing glory hounds.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  18. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    I'm not sure why somebody would see this idiocy through a racial lens, that's what I'm not getting. Is there an epidemic of blacks knocking out whites that somehow didn't change crime stats?
  19. NAHTMMM

    NAHTMMM Perpetually sondering

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    14,711
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Ratings:
    +9,925
    It's a problem to the person getting punched!
  20. evenflow

    evenflow Lofty Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    25,051
    Location:
    Where the skies are not cloudy all day
    Ratings:
    +20,614
  21. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2004
    Messages:
    59,487
    Ratings:
    +48,917
    • Agree Agree x 1
  22. evenflow

    evenflow Lofty Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    25,051
    Location:
    Where the skies are not cloudy all day
    Ratings:
    +20,614
    To be fair, something like school shootings has a similar dynamic when discussed by the media. Violent crime is on the way down in this country and has been for a while.
    • Agree Agree x 5
  23. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    Damn it, the knockout app's funding was pulled. Thanks a lot Slate!
  24. Eccentric

    Eccentric Budtender

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    20,542
    Ratings:
    +233
    Let's not forget that with the ever increasing prevalence of video cameras on every corner, plus with the proliferation of cell phone cameras, it's much easier to find a video of people doing stupid shit. Stupid shit that has been going on for years. "Shocking" footage can be found anywhere and hyped to ridiculous levels.
    • Agree Agree x 6
  25. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    49,445
    Location:
    The Steam Pipe Trunk Distribution Venue
    Ratings:
    +51,145

    It's a sad fact of the time in which we live. Reminds me of the Inherit the Wind quote,


    "Fella, you can hold the sum of human knowledge in your hand, but you have to sift through every damned stupid piece of information that comes along."


    I'd like to kick Ted Turner square in the nuts for inventing the 24-hour news channel. :brood:
    • Agree Agree x 6
  26. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2004
    Messages:
    51,920
    Location:
    Norphlet, Arkansas
    Ratings:
    +5,412
    Not as much as you think and not for the reasons you think.

    People have made much of the drop in the numbers of murders. But if you really want to look at rates of violent crime don't look at murders but at aggravated assaults.

    Much of the much ballyhooed decline in the murder rates over the years is that thanks to better medical centers, cell phones, and the rise of local trauma centers, many people no longer die from violence that a couple of decades ago would've proven lethal.

    Another big reason is that we have something like one million more people in prison today that 30 years ago. Condemn America as "incarceration nation" but the facts are that those in prisons tend to be ones who has committed or would've committed violent crimes.
  27. AlphaMan

    AlphaMan The Last Dragon

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2004
    Messages:
    10,909
    Location:
    NY
    Ratings:
    +9,928
    Wow... I would've liked to participate in this thread, but it took any ugly turn and became an occasion for the usual suspects to express their disdain for young urban blacks due to sensationalized media. Of course this is a terrible thing, but it's extremely rare and not all of the perps are black and not all of the victims are non- blacks... At the time when Greta van Sustren asked where is Al Sharpton, of course he was out there denouncing the attacks as detrimental to the community... You know... Cause most the victims were black... But the reason no one knew is because it didn't fit Fox News or Allen West's narrative they needed to pimp. Any google search would've revealed that.

    Grow the fuck up.
    • Agree Agree x 5
  28. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    43,616
    Location:
    All in your head
    Ratings:
    +30,540
    Well, I was just reacting to the sudden splurge on news stories on CNN, Fox and the net. So, further information noted and accepted, Alphaman.
    • Agree Agree x 3
  29. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2004
    Messages:
    28,021
    Location:
    N.C.
    Ratings:
    +27,815
    Yeah. Like he said. Violent crimes have been trending down for some time now.
  30. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2008
    Messages:
    15,570
    Location:
    Evil League of Evil Boardroom
    Ratings:
    +11,723
    Shame on you if you're expecting Dayton not to make shit up. The only links that boy will follow are sausage links.