When some family values conservative is found blowing guys in a bathroom, or having an affair, the media pounces. When they ask why it's not as big of deal when a democrat gets caught, the refrain is, well you guys are the family values folks, so it's a bigger story. I've always seen the logic in that, and I can't wait for the pics of Santorum and Huckabee walking out of a gay nightclub hand in hand. So yeah, this is a big deal, and don't think it won't be used to undermine future gun efforts in California. For those people that hate the NRA, Yee just became their poster boy. It will make my mail sorting easier, envelopes with Yee' s picture on them will go straight to the compost bin.
I don't agree with you politically in general, but I'd rather the media focused on this rather than the personal lives of politicians. There are lots of hypocrites on the "socially conservative" front, but making a media firestorm out of every one of them doesn't do anyone any good. \me agrees.
Yes, it's a big deal for gun rights activists. The family values guys caught with a male prostitute constitute a big deal for people who favor sexual freedom. I'm more of the latter group, and less of the former. Is it a story? Sure, including the irony. But given what I've said about my areas of interest, why would I see this as a bigger story than Santorum's dungeon membership? as for the media, they cater to the reader. If there is a lack of coverage beyond reporting the basic facts, I chalk that up to there just not being that many people for whom this particular juxtaposition matters.
You say that, but the mainstream media never seems to want to admit that they created the environment for the rise of the conservative media. By letting conservatives feel under served, they laid it all bare for talk radio and FOX. Drudge literally exists because Newsweek buried a story on Bill Clinton. It still amazes me that they will try to ignore stories even though the game has changed, and everyone but them seems to have figured it out. They act as the gatekeepers, telling people what they want them to hear, instead of what is. Then, if someone does tell a story, it's written of as partisan because of who covered it. I don't watch them, I don't even have cable, but if I were in charge of one of those networks I'd forget taking a side and just focus on hypocrisy and corruption, regardless of politics. It's not like a CNN can become more of a laughingstock.
That's a nice theory, but there are only so many column inches (so to speak). You have to choose what gets front page treatment, what gets cut, and there will always be a special interest that feels left out.
Funny, we keep hearing breathless reports of what a powerful special interest the gun lobby is. Or was that just Piers Morgan?
Man, Flow, this whole thing has really gotten under skin, can you cite actual Wordforge posts that made this happen, or...do you go elsewhere to get angry, and bring it back here?
Wow. Republican gets accused of doing something wrong: "Hang him! Why is ConservaForge defending this scum? Of COURSE he's guilty!" Democrat who pushes for anti-gun laws sells guns to terrorists: "So?" Amazing.
I really love this thread. Those posters who tend to lean left politically are almost unanimously condemning Yee, or at least condemning him if he is found guilty, but at the same time saying that the reason there have been no threads about it and not all that much in the media is because it just isn't that big of a deal. At the same time, many of them are claiming that a "family values" Republican caught in some kind of immorality does deserve much more attention, including on Wordforge. The implication is obvious: A conservative Republican who is a hypocritical liar is big news, but a liberal Democrat who is a hypocritical liar isn't really big news. I wonder if they really believe that, or just didn't realize that their desperation to play down the story backed them into that particular corner?
Good thread. Gonna take it in a slightly different direction if you don't mind. Not gonna lie, this is the first in detail picture of the situation I've got. When I first saw it I had some flash of a gun grabber getting him comeuppance, probably scanned it in a feed but that is it. Now, the situations kinda unique in that hell spawn was with grandmother this weekend, and task mistress decided to have mercy and not load me up on shit to fix, so this weekend was pretty much a blur; I remember a lot, and I think I had a really good time. Saturday night was probably the best sex since that big headed bastard screwed everything up actually. And then the woman got really sick, so I've been servant and single dad to a creature which in all honesty makes me question evolution (how the fuck did these things survive back in the day?!?!), the last couple days while at the same time trying earn bullet points at a new job, write two different endorsements and plan my first real fundraiser. Needless to say, pretty busy. And since I don't have cable or even an antenna, I don't drive so no radio, I'm not getting any passive messages. And being too busy to just fuck around on news sites, no active ones as well. As more and more of us 'cut the cord' cutting ourselves off from mass media and get more and more involved with our local issues (a good thing IMO) where does this put us as a nation? Is it a good thing or a bad thing if me, you, gul, and tex don't have common reference points?
Shut up Ginger Twat. The OP laments the fact that this allegedly gigantic story went unreported on Wordforge for a week. That speaks to the anemic state of Wordforge more than anything else. As for evenflow's extremely transparent attempt to gin up interest in the site by rabble-rousing with the "liberal bias in the elite media" routine.....very out of character for him. Flow is never this edgy or confrontational.
About as much as listening night after night about any other crime that captures the headlines. Only, guess what? Those we have to listen to. Ad nauseum.
Hmm, you must be reading a different thread from the rest of us. I agree with the first part, which is why I suggested Forbin might be reading a different thread. But did you see my post where I already addressed the second part? To refresh -- I, and no doubt many others who lean left, are more interested in personal and sexual freedom, hence the greater interest in fallen family values politicians. There is nothing inconsistent with people focusing more on the politicians they see personally as a greater threat. So regarding Yee, Evenflow should indeed be interested in the schdenfreude, but to make some strange claim that, say Garamet should, seems to misunderstand motivations.
Ideally, but for the most part gun grabbers will bury this (and the Eric Holder Fast & Furious debacle) deep in their subconscious so it will have little effect. They will just scream "Iran-Contra!" and call it a day. I do think that gradually the American public will wake up to the fact that the gun genie is out of the bottle, so maybe we need to just stop wrist-slapping violent felons so they can commit more crimes, and perhaps keep fathers in homes so kids have a better chance of not repeating cycles. Sorry, but most of us old-timers from boring rural areas remember having guns in their cars, knives on their person during school, guns certainly in their homes and gun crimes were rare as hen's teeth, even factoring in crimes versus percentages of the population.
One of their cause's more notable champions just got outed as a criminal and a hypocrite. How do you figure that doesn't take some of the luster off their silver-plated tin halo? Plus, see Post #61.
I figure the merits of the cause have little to do with the failings of the man. I can see the glee about Yee if you are a hardcore gun rights guy, but if people are in agreement with his prior activism, they still will be in agreement with it. The fact that he is a criminal doesn't really change the validity of his philosophy. As for post 61, I've addressed that twice.
Doesn't it? "Guilt by association" is a known and named fallacy, but the average person does fall for them, all the time. This time it's got a gun control activist squarely in the crosshairs, pardon the phrase. Whether the actions of the man should have an effect on his cause isn't really the issue. Those actions are going to have an effect.
