A quandary to make liberal heads explode...

It's a dark blue state for the handouts. Cmon...

Lay off John. He's just doing his Picard pussification impression... "Conference!"

Agreed. A negro from Kenya should make the call on this one!

Then you would have seen that they had a say and input and are now throwing a tantrum because they didn't get their way. You would have also seen this is par for the course by the "Defend Hawaii" crowd.

This isn't Snidely Whiplash coming in stealing the mountain and strip mining it.

No matter who else said what else in this thread, Archangel would claim it a "win."

Still, watching the adults discuss this in spite of him has, as gul said, been interesting.

Mount Palomar is no where near Pasadena. It is in northern San Diego County near the border with Riverside County.

He is probably thinking of Mt. Wilson. Of course, were he not lying, he probably wouldn't have made the mistake.

Archangel threads are the worst.

Just how many of us do you think take Dinner seriously?

as noted by the rest of the sentence, it's not just him.

So which people are you lowering yourself to the same standard as?

Aw, I still like you.

This just in:

Nearly 9% of Americans are angry, impulsive - and have a gun, study says

I agree, if this is truly better than Hubble without having to send shit into space, so be it. I'm not too familiar with Hawaian politics, but I've often heard that the locals are dicks. It's more than likely a vocal minority. Personally, I think telescopes allow us to know more about the universe and therefore closer to God.

I finally made a list!

Eh, I think most Americans who own guns are responsible, and level headed. I try not to let a few bad apples spoil it for everyone else.

And people wonder why some of us want to tighten up gun rules.

Yep, Mount Wilson, where the Mount Wilson toll road takes off from Pinecrest.

Google map

As soon as the land leaves the subdivision and heads up the mountain, the value is basically worthless.

As an aside, a person on Pinecrest was a writer for Deep Space 9.

Yeah but if nearly 9% of the apples are poison, I think a product recall is in order.

Which is about as true as vaccines causing autism.

For me, stargazing is a special sort of ceremony, especially when I can get to a place away and above city lights and atmosphere. So what if it's "commercial"? Like a priest or shaman or other spiritual leader never asked for tribute. I'm kind of offended that someone would denigrate my spiritual and intellectual pursuit like that.

Show me one place on a map that isn't "ecologically fragile" where some humans are wanting to do something other humans oppose. It's carte blanche reasoning. The scientists have said that the site is away from other archaeological sites, but even so, if we weren't allowed to do anything anywhere there might be something of archaeological interest about the only place we'd be able to create new buildings at this point would be inland Antarctica.

The reason gods exist is because people believe in them. Find someplace else to build that telescope.

Can you elaborate? That doesn't make much sense, particularly in light of Prufrock's second statement.

As for the political world - I think you forgot to list the initial "feasibility study."

But let the government take one extra cent off your pay cheque for helping the poor and that's an injustice that can never be forgiven, right?

You're such a piece of shit.

If some people don't follow gun rules as they already are, what makes you think they would follow even tighter rules?

Reasons. Many many good, solid, logical reasons.

Which is why you dramatically ramp up enforcement to send those shit stains to prison where they belong.

They won't -- see Dinner's response. We need to make the penalties for accidents much higher than they are.

A paraphrase of oldfellow: People are going to commit murder so why have laws against murder? I saw someone speeding so why bother enforcing traffic laws at all?

Or we could, you know, increase enforcement so that criminals who break the law get the punishment they deserve.