Iranians Getting to Perform Their Own Inspections of Suspected Nuclear Weapons Site

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  1. Tererune

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    You have just told us all that you will not see any evidence that does not fit into your delusion, and now you want me to show you more evidence. For what purpose, we believe you are a lying douchebag racist fuckwit who ignores what is right in front of his face. Your behavior goes right along with that description. We agree at this point that you are living in a fantasy world and that evidence is irrelevant to you. I am good with you being a complete bafoon and a moron to boot. There is no one here who takes you seriously. At this point I think we have pretty much come to a complete understanding that you will never admit the truth about Obama and the world. We can argue over which reason it is, but I am sure you have multiple mental problems. I now actually believe the people who claim you have real mental problems and need meds. You are delusional, paranoid, and pretty much a jittery fuck. You are a semi operational autistic wack job. If we were not such a completely shitty country we would have you in a nice home and some people to watch over you and make sure you do not accidentally cut your own dick off because Obama death rays are coming out of it to kill you. Take your meds, it is fucking important. Those voices are not real, and try to get some fucking help. I have had altered mental states, and I get how much it sucks to be able to comprehend quite a bit, but never really be able to understand reality.

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    The AP published the text of the side agreement between the IAEA and Iran.

    Separate arrangement II agreed by the Islamic State of Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency on 11 July 2015, regarding the Road-map, Paragraph 5

    Iran and the Agency agreed on the following sequential arrangement with regard to the Parchin issue:

    1. Iran will provide to the Agency photos of the locations, including those identified in paragraph 3 below, which would be mutually agreed between Iran and the Agency, taking into account military concerns.

    2. Iran will provide to the Agency videos of the locations, including those identified in paragraph 3 below, which would be mutually agreed between Iran and the Agency, taking into account military concerns.

    3. Iran will provide to the Agency 7 environmental samples taken from points inside one building already identified by the Agency and agreed by Iran, and 2 points outside of the Parchin complex which would be agreed between Iran and the Agency.

    4. The Agency will ensure the technical authenticity of the activities referred to in paragraphs 1-3 above. Activities will be carried out using Iran's authenticated equipment, consistent with technical specifications provided by the Agency, and the Agency's containers and seals.

    5. The above mentioned measures would be followed, as a courtesy by Iran, by a public visit of the Director General, as a dignitary guest of the Government of Iran, accompanied by his deputy for safeguards.

    6. Iran and the Agency will organize a one-day technical roundtable on issues relevant to Parchin.

    For the International Atomic Energy Agency: Tero Varjoranta, Deputy Director General for Safeguards

    For the Islamic Republic of Iran: Ali Hoseini Tash, Deputy Secretary of Supreme National Security Council for Strategic Affairs

    So not only does the IAEA not inspect, instead allowing Iranians to conduct the sampling, the samples will be tested by the Iranians, using Iranian equipment. And samples? There will be only nine samples, and Iran has to agree as to where those samples come from, which lets them know exactly where to plant some clean dirt.
     
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    So the part that requires mutual agreement every step of the way is where Iran gets the unilateral power? Dam,, that's more impressive than a gturner lie!
     
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    And why would Iran agree to any step that could get Iran in trouble? Hint: They won't.
     
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    Gturner you
    Gturner you're a complete stupid dupe. Read the agreement again and see how dumb you are.
     
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    I've read the entire agreement several times. Iran has never respected any agreement they've ever made, even this one which they pretty much wrote by themselves (Do you think we were adding the parts that requires Iran to continue testing new centrifuges, while getting to buy new Boeing airliners and requiring US to purchase Iranian food and Persian rugs?)

    All of Obama's talk about this agreement over the years said that we would have on-the-spot, 24/7, no-notice inspections. Somehow what he got was no US inspectors allowed into Iran - ever, a three week period prior to the inspection of any new facility, and only 9 environmental samples (in total, forever) from their main nuclear weapon development site, but those samples will be collected by Iranians unaccompanied by IAEA personnel, and those samples will be analyzed by Iranians using Iranian equipment.

    Now why would Iran insist on that when it would be so much simpler just to let the IAEA guys go in, collect some samples, and then do all the analysis work? That would have been so much easier, wouldn't it? But then Iran might get caught, and Iran isn't going to let that happen.
     
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    Iran acts like the Mafia toward UN's nuclear watchdog

    Iran Deal: It was like the local Mafia collector dropping by just to say "it would be a shame if something happened to you." Iran warned the UN's chief atomic watchdog he might come to "harm."

    Never mind "The Audacity of Hope." In Iran, the audacity of hate seems to have no limits.

    How much nerve does it take to go so far as to issue a vague physical threat — during "peace" negotiations — to the head of the agency charged with inspecting nuclear facilities where cheating could be going on?

    Iran's Atomic Energy Organization, briefing Iranian lawmakers Monday, boasted that its government sent a letter threatening Yukiya Amano, the chief of the United Nations' International Atomic Energy Agency.

    Tehran's AEOI disclosed that the warning to Amano said that if the secret side agreements on inspections between Iran and the IAEA are revealed, "we will lose our trust in" the IAEA.

    It conceded that "despite the U.S. Congress's pressures," Amano "didn't give any information to them," as reported by the Iranian regime's Fars News Agency.

    "Had he done so," an AEOI spokesman added, however, "he himself would have been harmed."

    If Tehran is this intent on keeping the specifics of the secret side deals on inspections from the U.S., how skeptical would members of Congress of both parties be of them if they could read them?

    And as many have asked, how can Congress know what it's voting for — or, for that matter, how can President Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry know what they're signing — if they don't know what's in the side agreements?

    Will closer observation of the side deals on inspections show them to be an unenforceable sham?

    That would be "yes". Next question.
     
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    Stop. Lying.
     
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    May as well ask eagles to stop flying, or Cosby to stop raping.
     
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    And what did I lie about this time? I linked an article detailing how Iran's leaders threatened the IAEA chief inspector. The deal is an unenforceable sham. No Americans get to inspect anything. The IAEA doesn't get to inspect much of anything outside of a few agreed upon sites. The Iranians are doing the inspections of the places we suspect they're working on atomic weapons.
     
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    Dinner's links expose the lies.
     
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    No, they didn't.

    Here's the agreement the AP published (the text of the side agreement) between the IAEA and Iran.

    Separate arrangement II agreed by the Islamic State of Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency on 11 July 2015, regarding the Road-map, Paragraph 5

    Iran and the Agency agreed on the following sequential arrangement with regard to the Parchin issue:

    1. Iran will provide to the Agency photos of the locations, including those identified in paragraph 3 below, which would be mutually agreed between Iran and the Agency, taking into account military concerns.

    2. Iran will provide to the Agency videos of the locations, including those identified in paragraph 3 below, which would be mutually agreed between Iran and the Agency, taking into account military concerns.

    3. Iran will provide to the Agency 7 environmental samples taken from points inside one building already identified by the Agency and agreed by Iran, and 2 points outside of the Parchin complex which would be agreed between Iran and the Agency.

    4. The Agency will ensure the technical authenticity of the activities referred to in paragraphs 1-3 above. Activities will be carried out using Iran's authenticated equipment, consistent with technical specifications provided by the Agency, and the Agency's containers and seals.

    5. The above mentioned measures would be followed, as a courtesy by Iran, by a public visit of the Director General, as a dignitary guest of the Government of Iran, accompanied by his deputy for safeguards.

    6. Iran and the Agency will organize a one-day technical roundtable on issues relevant to Parchin.

    For the International Atomic Energy Agency: Tero Varjoranta, Deputy Director General for Safeguards

    For the Islamic Republic of Iran: Ali Hoseini Tash, Deputy Secretary of Supreme National Security Council for Strategic Affairs

    His links just confirmed that Iran will be doing their own sampling at Parchin, as laid out in the agreement. Iran will provide 9 samples, and only 9 samples. After that they can test implosion weapons to their heart's content, because under the agreement they only had to provide 9 samples and they did that.
     
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    We've already been through this. The quoted text directly contradicts your claim.
     
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    No it doesn't. It's up there, where I quoted it. Read the words.
     
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    Well, take your article No, Iran is not allowed to inspect itself, which goes on to explain how Iran will inspect itself.

    Without knowing the precise details of the IAEA’s understanding with Iran, IAEA inspectors at Parchin will likely oversee the taking of multiple samples using environmental sampling kits that the IAEA has prepared. Multiple samples would be prepared at each location identified by the IAEA inspectors. Each side would obtain samples taken with the kits. Critically, the IAEA would have samples using kits prepared in advance by its own laboratory.

    The actual sample-taking would be performed by Iranian staff under close observation by IAEA inspectors, and it is the IAEA inspectors who would identify specific locations where the samples would be collected. Samples are collected by wiping sampling tissues on floors and other surfaces. In the event that surfaces have been modified or remediated, inspectors should ask that newly created surfaces be removed in a manner that will allow samples to be taken without obstruction​

    That's not what the agreement says.

    The agreement says:

    1. Iran will provide to the Agency photos of the locations, including those identified in paragraph 3 below, which would be mutually agreed between Iran and the Agency, taking into account military concerns.

    2. Iran will provide to the Agency videos of the locations, including those identified in paragraph 3 below, which would be mutually agreed between Iran and the Agency, taking into account military concerns.

    Iran wouldn't have to provide the IAEA with photos and videos if the IAEA was allowed on site, because the IAEA inspectors could just take their own photos. But they can't, because they're not ever going to be there.

    3. Iran will provide to the Agency 7 environmental samples taken from points inside one building already identified by the Agency and agreed by Iran, and 2 points outside of the Parchin complex which would be agreed between Iran and the Agency.

    Iran wouldn't have to provide the samples if the IAEA inspectors were there "supervising", because swiping a dust cloth isn't a terribly difficult job. But the inspectors won't be doing that because they're not going to be there.

    4. The Agency will ensure the technical authenticity of the activities referred to in paragraphs 1-3 above. Activities will be carried out using Iran's authenticated equipment, consistent with technical specifications provided by the Agency, and the Agency's containers and seals.

    No where does it say that the samples will ever be turned over to the IAEA. Indeed, if they were, Iran wouldn't have to run the tests with their own equipment.

    5. The above mentioned measures would be followed, as a courtesy by Iran, by a public visit of the Director General, as a dignitary guest of the Government of Iran, accompanied by his deputy for safeguards.

    And finally, as a courtesy, Iran will allow the IAEA Director General, as a guest, to make a public visit - in which he won't be allowed to collect anything. He's the person they've already threatened with physical harm.
     
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    Washington Examiner

    State Department Spokesperson John Kirby on Wednesday laughed off a letter from 195 retired admirals and generals opposing the Iran nuclear agreement, and dodged questions about why letters of support for the deal being touted by the government should be believed when they have far fewer signatures on them than the letters opposing it.

    The Obama administration had hyped a letter from three dozen retired admirals and generals in support of the deal, only to be trumped by a letter sent to Congress on Wednesday in which 195 retired admirals and generals rejected the deal. The administration also put out a letter from rabbis in favor of the deal, but opponents of the deal immediately followed suit with more than twice as many signatures against it.