Until the Aftermath of This Election I Had Never Realized....

How do you explain me being the wordforger most supportive of space exploration?

You just want to blow up Klingons.

Why?

I don't, because you aren't. Your motive is not "exploration", it's dominance - an extension of the BDSM-type fantasies you have about warfare and mass murder.

Because if there's no evidence, and no reproducible experiments that can be engineered to produce reproducible results, then creationism (of any sort) is pseudo-science.
"God erased/hid the evidence", is just begging the question.

Just to give an example of the level of fantasy that Dayton is immersed in here, consider that even 1 centimeter of sea level rise can have huge consequences for things like insurance and building codes, because 1 cm can easily be the difference between "the water came up to my front steps" and "the water flooded the ground floor of my house", or "water flooded the ground floor of my house" and "water reached the electric sockets on the ground floor and ruined my wiring", or...you get the point.
70 cm by 2100 (which I believe is what is being predicted now) is huge. Like, the consequences of this are mind-boggling and far beyond anything that's ever been dealt with in the entire course of human civilization on Earth up until this point. And the trend of new research is that the estimates for the speed of sea level rise and ice melt need to be revised upward. This paper for example shows evidence that Greenland has been almost completely ice free a few times in the past few millions years, which suggests the ice sheet is less stable than previously thought. Encouraging stuff right?

Even without all this, a number of Pacific island nations are already considering the logistics of total evacuation. Let that sink in for a moment (pun unintended).

@Nono - considering the election of Trump I can hardly disagree with you on the political vs technical thing, which gets to the heart of the matter.

What's wrong with that?

Cold War competition put the U.S. and U.S.S.R. into Earth orbit and then the U.S. on the moon.

No matter. I'm against federal flood insurance anyway.

And a general migration of Americans from the coasts to the heartlands is long overdue anyway.

Explaining to you "what's wrong with that" would require me to supply you with a moral and ethical core - which is beyond me. It is however, irrelevant because dominance is not exploration.

Who cares?

Results are the same.

They most emphatically are not.

This might turn out to be a decent troll thread for Dayton after all

If there are Klingons out there they most assuredly deserve blowing up.

And like climate change, caused no harm whatsoever.

Nice analogy.

That is definitely a big part of it. There does seem to be an entrenched ideological factor as well. Just go to any green/environmental group get together.

Um, no. If they migrate inland beyond the new coastlines, it would more likely do exactly the opposite. People aren't going to leave their political opinions behind when they migrate.

Dammit, blocked at work - will check later, but...
Just playing devil's advocate here, but I have an acquaintance on another board who says he actually works in the field of green energy, and he says it's become clear to them that there's simply no way that solar, wind, etc. can handle all our needs. Supplement, yes, but we have to keep coal and nuke if we want to keep the lights on.

1) Watch the video.

2) Ask this guy to define "all our needs". Did our great grand-parents "need" the same levels of energy that we "need"? No, because they had no use for them. My God, how did they survive?

3) Ask him if he knows what entropy is.

Yes our world will end in a matter of decades. The plus side is that you will be dead.

That, too.

Personally, I'm more in favor of a mix of renewable with as few nuclear power plants as possible, especially in areas that have tons of fault lines that are itching to have its own 9.0 quake within the next century. I know the Japanese that constructed Fukushima didn't cut any corners and they still had problems.

Yeah...Earthquakes are a problem. If only there was a way to put nuclear reactors on really big boats.

I like what Neil Degrasse Tyson pointed out "we HAVE all the nuclear power we'll ever need from the ultimate nuclear reactor!! The SUN!! Solar is nuclear!!".

But yeah, it's kinda something to consider. The goal shouldn't be to move from one bad pollutant to another that's less bad assuming everything goes as planned, but to get off of such energy sources entirely.

If you've got a choice of having a harmless wind turbine fifteen miles from your house or a nuclear power plant with the potential to render your home uninhabitable like Chenobyl or Fukushima, which would you choose?

I was joking.

Oh, cool

I don't think that's so:

In the peer-reviewed Philosophical Transactions A of the Royal Society, researchers Costas Synolakis of the USC Viterbi School of Engineering and Utku Kânoğlu of the Middle East Technical University in Turkey distilled thousands of pages of government and industry reports and hundreds of news stories, focusing on the run-up to the Fukushima Daiichi disaster in 2011. They found that “arrogance and ignorance,” design flaws, regulatory failures and improper hazard analyses doomed the coastal nuclear power plant even before the tsunami hit. source
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Modern designs avoid the design issues GE built in to Fukushima Daiichi but I'm not sure you can design around arrogance and ignorance, and regulatory failures, especially in today's wintry regulatory climate.

I'm in favor of more nuclear reactors, just not under Trump with Perry at the wheel.

My issue no matter who's in charge is how are we dealing with waste? It'd be great if we could bury it back into the earth from which it was mined from instead of sitting up collecting radioactive dust and one natural disaster away from turning any given area into an exclusion zone for the next two hundred years.

Plutonium 239 has a half-life of 24,000 years.

What green/environmental group get togethers have you been to recently.

Please be specific.