Three home invaders shot and killed by invadee with an AR

Including crime with guns, accidents, and suicide.

you might be right - as in the guy with the AR had a good idea these guys might be coming so he was more than ready for them when they indeed arrive.
So it could very well be "criminal on criminal" or "white on white" crime. Something to follow up on! Sadly most of the time I try to follow up on a news item there is no more information about it, even at the local level! We had several very big stories hit here in Augusta over the past few months but further details are scant.
This grinds my gears because quite often that's the most interesting part of any crime story.

Im with shoes on this one. Im not seeing the issue here. People break into someones house, home owner uses his legal right to defend his property and shoots them.

The one thing i dont get, if burglery is your chosen vocation in America, surely you want to be carrying your own weapons. Yes, you get caught doing it with a weapon you get longer jail time buts thats better than being dead.

Regardless, nothing of value seems to have been lost in this case.

Am I the only one who's somewhat saddened by the fact that three teens, two of which were younger than 17 lost their lives here? Now I don't think the home owners son should be charged and, I do believe homeowners should have the right to defend themselves, including with deadly force, but we were all teenagers once and teenagers do dumb shit all the time and sometimes they pay the ultimate price for it as is the case here but I just find all unfortunate and sad. Sad for the teenagers who won't have the opportunity to learn from what is undoubtedly a poor decision, sad for the parents of those teens and sad for the kid who shot and killed them because despite the boastful proclamations and fantasies of some of our members about what they would do to a hypothetical home invader, you'd have to be a psychopath not feel anything after having taken another human beings life. I was once in a situation where I was armed with a gun and would have been within my legal right to have used it in self defense but I didn't. I gave the man, who in a moment of anger attacked me, a chance to consider the consequences of his actions and I'm glad for it because it would of been a stupid thing for him to have lost his life over. Now if my daughter had been with me at the time that man would be dead but I'd still feel bad about it. And that was a grown ass man, not a bunch of dipshit teens who aren't experienced enough to understand the fragility and preciousness of life.

In my neighborhood growing up we had a group of assholes who broke into a few people's homes, including mine a couple of times. They were teenagers around the same age as me and my brothers, 14-16 years old and everyone knew they were the assholes doing the break-ins but no one had as yet caught them in the act. After the second time they hit our home and after the second playstation they stole my brothers and I got fed up, went after them and gave them a pretty good beating and they got the message. All I'm saying is sometimes kids just need an ass woopin and while you might be well with in your right to end the life of another human being it shouldn't be done flippantly and without the serious consideration as to why and what for.

Nope you're not. Celebrating legal killing is part of our culture though.

he said shortly before making a boastful proclamation of what he would have done if his "daughter had been" there.

Man, don't be a jerkoff. I don't have any animosity to people who defend themselves and their homes against burglars. I do question the mental state of those posters who revel at the thought of getting the opportunity to do so and those who callously celebrate the death of three teens who made a tremendously poor decision. Even the father of the kid who shot and killed these kids made a statement about how saddened he was that his son had to do so. I'm glad my daughter wasn't with me, I'm glad I didn't have to choose between my daughters safety and giving that man a moment to think about what he was doing because I know what I would have chosen. I don't think anyone reads my statement and comes away finding it boastful.

Who are all these boastful gunforgers you're talking about then? I can only think of one person, and he hardly ever posts here anymore.

I don't remember the dumb shit I did as a teenager to include dressing up in all black, wearing ski masks, carrying a knife and breaking into people's homes.

That's not dumb shit teenagers do.

Agreed. I think we should cane people in public. (after a trial of course)

Yeah.

While I wasn't specifically referencing this thread, I'm pretty sure I've read comments to that effect here before as well as callous indifference if not out right enthusiasm to people being shot whether by police or armed citizens. I however have absolutely no interest in combing through past posts to find them and am willing to concede that I could be wrong or mischaracterizing those posts. Though I don't think so and as I've said don't care enough to look for definitive confirmation either way.

Good for you, but your childhood experiences might differ from others. For instance I've carried a pocket knife since I was 12. Also me and a few friends did break into an abandoned house one time to tag the place up and drink and smoke pot. Not my finest hour, but probably not my worst either.

Well these three were teenagers and they did do it unless you're inferring some sort of false flag event.

"I carry a pocket knife" is like saying "I have a shirt on." I personally don't understand why anyone wouldn't have a pocket knife at all times. Damn thing comes in handy all the time for all sorts of general uses.

That other thing you mention didn't directly threaten someone with bodily harm in their own home, so maybe you'd get a slap on the wrist for it, but it ain't no big deal. That would be the difference. 'Sensible' burglars break in when no one is home, and don't carry weapons. Burglars who don't care if they hurt people break in while people are home, carry knives and brass knuckles (and/or guns), and because all that indicates they don't mind hurting people (or actually want to), the resident needs to respond with equal or greater force.

Teenagers or not, I have no sympathy for them and will shed no crocodile tears.

Darwin. Always. Wins.

Irrelevant. This is still not "dumb shit teenagers do".

"Dumb shit teenagers do" is TP-ing someone's house or getting too drunk at a party or "borrowing" Dad's car to hang out with his friends.

Dressing up like a burglar to burgle a house is well outside the range of "dumb shit teenagers do". It's criminal shit that felons do.

There's some dumb shit even teenagers should have enough sense not to do.

Brits and minding your own business.

http://ktul.com/news/local/woman-ar...-wagoner-county-home-invasion-triple-homicide

No, if burglary is "your thing" and you are good at it, you never carry weapons because you did a thorough recon with attention to detail. Not even carrying burglary tools is even better. If there is even a chance of encountering resistance you pick another target. Granted if you are a teenage idiot you do what these teen idiots did.

Yep - the female had a good lead/inside information on what could be an easy job, then they all followed up with recon, they had weapons just in case things went south and they had go the "intimidation/violence" route - but as we say in the army "the first casualty of war is the plan!"

But damn - if the shooter hadn't responded with fast accurate firepower his ass would have most likely been severely injured or killed by these now dead shit bags.
I'm sure it won't be long until somebody says "well the gun owner could have given them a chance to surrender or leave the house entirely" "or he could have shot them in a non-lethal part of their bodies!"
without imagining that there's a problem with having three (or more on the way just out of sight!) armed, surprised intruders to keep track of by yourself.

Sorry, but this is a "mess with the bull, you get the horns" scenario that is very and not at all out of the ordinary, except for having a fairytale ending!

Nothing wrong with that. Too bad he didn't ice the load of shit driving the getaway car too.

Yes. In fact criminals know to not carry weapons or burglary tools because that can upgrade a crime to some serious time in prison.

And they don't want to be there when you are. First you might be armed and second if they are caught now it goes from burglary to home invasion. More time in prison.

I found it charming that the getaway-driver is charged with murder. Anytime someone is killed during commission of a felony in OK, the perps are charged with murder. Doesn't matter if it was one of them. Wierd, huh? Doesn't seem cricket.

A flashback to Untold Legends of the Batman that I read when I was a kid...

disagree with you there - she was no physical threat to him unless she was trying to run him over or something. But if he was inside the house and she was in the car even going out to confront her wouldn't be (in this case anyway) self defense.

not in all cases, but in this case it does. She knew exactly why they were there (she helped set the whole thing up!) and I'm quite sure she knew her partners in crime were armed with deadly weapons. Did she know there was a heavily armed resident there? Most likely not, or I'm sure they wouldn't have attempted the robbery. But that said, it did indeed go south and she was instrumental in the crime as a whole - in for a penny, in for a pound.

Yes. If the invaders had killed someone how could she argue she didn't know? She knowingly dropped off three people armed with deadly weapons to break into a house.

Im sure they dont want to give out any details until after the trial so the defendant cant claim a tainted jury pool.

damn! I never though of that. These days there are so many sources of information and (more importantly) misinformation & opinions/ analysis about any incident from all manner of people it would be chaos for an juror or picking a jury.