Sutherland Springs, TX church shooting

No. I'm saying the law enforcement can trace a gun recovered from a crime scene to the last person that legally purchased it without a gun registry.

Why would the gun owner need to keep a book?

From what I've heard, the killer was mortally wounded or believed himself to be, stating as much in a phone call to his father as he fled.

I'm pretty much of the opinion if you get hit by any high-powered rifle--but especially a 5.56/.223--such that it leaves a round entrance hole anywhere on your person, you are totally fucked unless you get immediate medical attention (and maybe even then). Even a wound to non-vitals is going to bleed like a motherfucker.

Do a UBC to make sure the buyer is clear to receive the gun (produce a transaction report for all parties, but keep no record), and conduct the transaction through an FFL who is obliged to maintain the documentation. Totally traceable, with no centralized registration.

Anyway, your misconceptions aside about 80% of guns used in crimes are bought by straw buyers so, yes, a universal background check and manditory registration would indeed help. It would put most straw buyers out of business or at least limit them to only a few transactions in a life time. Otherwise it would be easy to find them and charge them.

Going after the way 80% of the guns used in crime are procured sounds like an excellent first step.

100% registration should be the goal. Hell, just possessing an unregistered firearm should result in decades in prison.

No, this is how it would work. With a UBC, all sales would have to go through a FFL holder. You sell it to your neighbor, you go to a gun store, and the owner charges a fee, and then does the background check. It's then on record. If that guy sells it to someone else, and so on, and so on...then law enforcement can trace it through the NTC from manufacturer to seller to seller to seller and so on all the way to the last person it was legally sold to. But law enforcement can only do it if they get a warrant....so it's not like having a list of gun owners that they can look at for what ever reason.

Bingo.

The hell it should.

What I described accomplishes every legitimate goal that registration would accomplish, and not open the door to confiscation or other mischief.

It isn't illegal. It's just undocumented.

Actually, if you haven't engaged in any otherwise criminal activity (or are precluded by law from owning one), having an unregistered firearm should be no more a crime than having a car with overdue license plate tags. After all, a person has a right to own a gun.

It would accomplish everything a registration would, but it wouldn't be at all punative to gun owners, so he's not on board. He and I have already gone around about this.

So, just out of curiosity: Would Universal Background Checks have stopped the Vegas or Texas shootings?

Nope. But there's only one way to stop these kind of mass shootings (which are statistically insignificant compared to gun crime in general), and neither you nor I want to go there.

Go to a different FFL? But why would they do that? They can do that right now couldn't they?

Why would they want to do that? They could do that right now couldn't they?

You've never been trapped on a long flight with a crying baby, have you?

WTF was dad saying during all this, "Didja get your bitch of a mother-in-law, son? You'll be a hero to millions if you did! Do you know how many people want to kill their mother-in-law, but never have the balls to do it? Come on, son, tell me you got her! Tell me my little boy's a man now!"?

But FFL dealers could do that right now. States could do that right now. Why don't they do it right now?

There are enough FFLs that if someone decides to charge $100 you would just go to the person down the street.

Yeah, but doing a background check for a gun they didn't sell is pure profit. Why on earth would they charge more than for someone who bought a gun that they had to buy wholesale, ship, market, and store?

There's no way it would work to make each person have a log book of their guns and gun sales.

Just look at the fires that swept through California.

I can't see anyone saying, "Hold on honey I forgot the log book!" while a fire is raging around them.

Those are both way too small. It should cost at least five figures and have to be renewed on an annual basis per gun. Also you should have to take an extremely lengthy, several hundred question test where you can only miss around 5 questions total, also repeated every year. Then comes the on going pych eval which should be not less than three times a week and start not less than one year before purchase. Oh, and let us not forget the multimillion dollar liability insurance for when one of you wackos goes on a shooting spree or does absolutely anything wrong involving a gun. Fail to meet any of it and you lose your guns and all ability to ever own any for life.

You are ignorant. A larger insurance pool brings down prices, it does not raise prices. That is why everyone else pays less for health insurance than we do. The same is true for all types of insurance.

If you don't know that then you don't know a damn thong about insurance.