Aaaaaaand George Takei Joins the Weinstein, et al Club

I have to say people need to stop taking gifts and free drinks if they are going to cry rape the moment someone puts their hand in their crotch. I am not talking about friends, but when a stranger buys you a drink and you accept it you are not saying yes to sex, but you are saying you are open to more intimate contact. Unless you clearly state no at the point of accepting the drink or gift you have opened the door to something more than just friends and you have to shut it again. It is not wrong to shut it again and people have to deal with it, but someone might touch you after you accept a drink and that is not rape or assault until you say no.

Yes I am saying taking a drink is a sign you are looking for more. No one is buying you a drink because you exist. Learn to refuse the gift or set the person straight right off the bat. Don't keep taking their gifts and then get all bothered because they touched you. They do not get to rape you or go under your clothing, but a little petting is what you are opening yourself up for when you start taking drinks.

Also don't go back to someone's room or house alone and expect platonic conversation unless specifically stated. If someone asks me to go back to their place to play Xbox then I am not expecting anything but video games. However if I go from the bar to a private room or house with a person that is sending a sign that intimacy and privacy are needed. You can still say no and there is no contract for sex, but you do have to say it at that point. You have not been clear in your consent and would need to affirm your intentions because you are getting intimate. Yes, that means don't go be alone with a person you have just met and put yourself in that situation unless you are open to more than just conversation. Stay in the bar if you just want to talk, and buy your own drinks if you are just going to be friends.

More sexist victim blaming from Teretard everyone.

More limp wristed wussiness from the boy.

Maybe we should work on that shit first instead of consantly focusing on telling people it's their fault for being victims.

Preferably, I'd like America to be more open about sex so that people feel free enough to just ask to do it instead of these stupid games of offering drinks and taking pleaantries he doesn't give a flying fig about...like they do in Europe.

wow - Tererun plays fucking HARDBALL! No shame in his/her game. Fucker don't play regardless! Calls em' as he sees em' and so on.

Maybe that's why most European nations are plagued by dangerously low birth rates

What, because they're fucking like rabbits instead of beating around the bush (heh)?

I think a drink is a nice way to open the door and say you are interested in starting to go down the road. You just refuse the drink or politely tell the person you are not interested. Then they can go spend their money elsewhere. You really have no business taking gifts from strangers you have no intention of being bothered with. That is just rude. No one is giving you a drink because you are there. Learn to say no. Pay your own way and you will not have unwanted grabs from confused people. You may have unwanted grabs from rude people, and then you tell them off.

I have been on the end of getting free drinks. It is unfair and impolite of me to drink on someone else's dime if they don't have a chance. I will tell a bartender no free shots because I do get that quite often when I am out. On the nights when I am feeling Randy buy me a drink and we will see where things go. I am not going to get bothered if you put your hand on my leg and flirt while sliding it into my crotch. I can still say no, but I am not going to cry rape if I am out there to pick up. When you don't say no and make things ambiguous someone might get confused. You also need to respect them enough to tell them no because you do not deserve to drink for free just because you look hot. Get a fucking job and pay for your own drinks. Go look hot as you will because that is not an invitation to touch, but taking a gift or free drink does open the door to more. You don't get to drink for free because you slipped your ass into some tight little outfit. Then you are some sort of booze who're tease and no one likes to waste their money on that. If I want to look at some hot chick I am picking up a magazine because you are not all that.

Why would I buy you a drink if you're feeling Randy? He should be the one buying you drinks.

I thought most people drank alcohol while pursuing companionship because they believed it made them more relaxed and lowered their inhibitions.

Never having drank I would not know of course.

Well, if you bought me a drink it would only be polite to take my attention away from feeling Randy and thank you for the drink giving you your opening to steal me away from Randy if you so desired. Unless Randy put a ring on my finger I have no real commitment to him, and even if he did perhaps I am tired of him and ready to give him his ring back.

That is a terrible reason to drink because it is probably going to lead you to getting wasted before you get the courage and then you are easily distracted. I know this one from experience and it is a good way to end up with the wrong person. Alcohol as liquid courage is not a real good way to go.

@Tererun did someone touch you in an inappropriate way when you were young?

Too many cases of rape come from being ambiguous and sending the wrong signals along with putting yourself in intimate situations with people you hardly know. I have no business going back to someone's room or house who I just met, unless I am interested in seeing where things go in private. The only reason I need privacy is for sexual activity. If I want to talk to you we can go to a diner or quiet bar.

When I first started hanging out with gay guys I did it like they were friends. Then I had to say no because I went back to a guys house and he was thinking things were going somewhere because we were getting along. Yeah, he was buying me drinks and insisting on paying and stupid me thought he was just being friendly. I led the guy on and I really did not want to date him. He is gay and clearly he was interested when I thought about it. Who the fuck am I to be taking someone's drinks if I am out and just looking to hang out. I have money and a job. I always saw girls who would take gifts and drinks from guys like they were owed them for being attractive. Those guys are not buying you drinks because they want to be friends. You want female empowerment stop taking free drinks when you have money. If you don't have money let a guy know you are not interested. He isn't going to keep buying you drinks if you are not interested.

You have to be clear about your intentions. I have been on the me side. It is hard to get your game on and be the initiator. I don't want to waste my money on some person who already has made up their mind we are just going to be friends. I have friends, and they pay for their drinks, and if I do pay for them I know I am not banging them. You get tired of hanging out with broke ass friends who constantly want you to pay. Actually, I do not get tired of hanging out with them, I just get tired of spending money so we can find free shit to do.

One of the reasons I don't bother with women anymore is it is too damned expensive. I buy a guy a meal and a couple of drinks and I don't have to ask him to suck my dick. I have to tell them no, it reminds me I have one and that can pull me out of the mood. You go pay for a gay guy's meal and drinks and he goes home with you you are there for a purpose. We could have stayed out in the club or restaurant if we wanted to talk. He knows you want your dick sucked. He is going to show you how he does it too. There is not a faggot in the world who would ever say I don't suck dick because it is gross. Guys put up with that shit from women. Pussy feels good and all, but pussy ain't got a tongue. A blowjob is lazy relaxing sex. You can just sit and enjoy the orgasm.

This is also why I know sulu does not have to rufee someone to get some. Unless he gets off on the kink of an unconscious person he can get paid when he wants to. That is the real reason I know the story is bullshit. No one is raping as a gay guy unless they get off on the power play. If that is the case then they are going to be a multiple offender because they have to to get off. If you want sex as a guy you just need to send out the signs and they will come to you. Put on some tight ass chaps or skinny jeans, a nice shirt, and sit at the bar. Look presentable and some horny dude is going to pick your ass up. Straight guys have to deal with being horny for long periods of no. If you are gay you just need to send out the signals and you can get someone. You do not need to drug anyone.

Oh, and if you are willing practice your game with other guys. I used to be shy and could barely talk to a girl I was interested in. Picking up gay guys is like going to the batting cage set on easy. You can just start knocking out home runs and feeling great about yourself. Guys know how to make you feel good. That is part of catching someone to compliment them and tell them sweet things. A woman gets picky because she does not have to chase people. A guy knows it can be hard to put yourself out there so he builds you up because that makes you more confident and assertive and more manly. By the time you go back to women you have a new swagger, and swagger goes a long way towards being attractive. It is just that after being with guys women lose their luster. You start realizing picky bitches who want to change you and make you pay for everything really do not have that much to offer. I know a lot of bisexual guys who were able to find the women they really connected with and the ones who loved them as themselves because they stopped dealing with the picky psycho ones.

I've lost track of the number of people I know who have refused drinks from strangers only for said stranger to still get pissed because in our society, free beer=sex. That mentality of entitlement needs to change. The item which is given to the other partner as an "obvious" sign of attraction isn't the issue.

I'll use myself as an example: I had a crush on an objectively ugly nerdy guy in high school and when he turned me down for a date, I was largely upset and for years thought the problem was with me. But even deeper than that, there was a part of me that thought he ought to be grateul because honestly, I was the closest chance to getting laid that he was ever going to get in school. That's not me blowing smoke up my own ass, any girl who was a 7 or above that spoke with him was only out to get answers for out chemistry homework. As much as I'd like to believe that it was all genuine hurt at losing a guy I genuine liked, I can't pretend that my arrogance and entitlement didn't play a part in the shit that went down later on.

That's the extremely short version of what happened, but that attitude is one that every woman faces at some point in life. Except I got many, many people who told me my behavior wasn't cool and became a social pariah for it, men get told that a woman is just stuck up if she doesn't fall at his feet when he wants her to.

Agreed. Since leaving the Navy, I haven't set foot in a bar for this reason.

You're still victim shaming here.

How about when a woman says no or seems hesitant that a guy has enough self restraint to stop what he's doing?

Is this sour grapes for you? If it is, then fucking own it, but don't you dare look your nose down on any of the Republican Trump enablers if you think a hot woman taking a free drink from some meathead in any way justifies rape. You're no better than any of them.

Yup, I think I'm done trying to engage you in this shit any longer.

Fuck you and go fuck yourself.

No, I got tired of bullshit, and realized I did not need it. I was not one of the popular pretty people as a guy. I got tired of ending up in the friend zone, having snooty bitches acting like I owed them for talking to me, and feeling like I had to change who I was and support a woman to get her to love me. I learned two things. Guys know how to please you better, and women respond to assholes. It was night and day when I started acting like a prick to women. All of a sudden they had to prove to me they were worth my time. I don't want to be a prick so I don't want to play that game, but it is not a lie that it works. Do your own experiments, but don't bitch at me if it works. I don't know or care why, and I had no respect for any of it when I figured it out. I don't bother with dating and love anymore because it is too fucking easy to manipulate and it is just wrong how it works.

So yes I am bitter about romance and it is so fake I cannot stand to be in any relationship beyond two weeks because people just get stupid and worthless when they get needy and attached. I probably do also so I am not getting attached romantically anymore. That is not to say I do not love people, but rather that I do not consider romantic love anything more than a mental disease.

Shocking that no one has mentioned Tacky's (sic) alleged "giant yellow beanbag chair."

Yes, when the woman, or guy, says no it is time to quit and move on. If they took your drink you do not get to fuck them, but they should tell you no. You bought the first drink as an easy way to break the ice and see if there is a possibility. I personally would refuse the drink straight up so the guy does not waste his money, but if you are going to use that method you should expect to lose the cost of a drink and accept no. No also does not mean you get to convince them or argue the point either. However, if you do not say no then it is ok to move on. Should guys take no for an answer? Of course, and I have no problem in you telling them no is a response you have to accept and if you go further it is harassment or assault if you touch someone. If you don't say no but you say yes to the drink you are not being clear and it is not rape if the guy touches you in certain places.

In public places we do not grope private areas or touch our lips to another's lips. But if you have gone with someone to a private area or bedroom you might get someone who gropes you because you were not clear. No, they do not get to hold you down, restrain you, incapacitate you, or continue on after you object and say no, but you will have to say no and put a stop to things if you start something and change your mind. People cannot read your mind so being submissive and saying nothing in private is not saying no. It is a different case if you are early incapacitated from passing out and are non responsive. However, if they have not drugged you they may not notice you are out for a few moments. If they have drugged you they are always in the wrong. You do not give someone something that they are unaware of what it is. You do not get to fool someone into passing out and then claim you did not know. However, I can see a situation where you could enter a room and then pass out from the effects of drugs you knowingly took, and it may take someone a moment to notice you are out especially if they happen to be fooling around with your nether region and started while you were alert and responsive.

Nothing is an excuse for continuing after someone says no. Yes, you do have to take no for an answer even if you are in mid thrust and a person all of a sudden changes their mind. That would suck, and it does as I have been there, but it is time to stop when the word no gets spoken or the person stops you in another way. Taking a free drink does not mean you give up your right to change your mind later. All I am saying is you do have to inform a person the answer is no. If you never say no and the other person procedures on without otherwise incapacitating you or restricting you from stopping it then you cannot claim rape later because you regret it. Also if you have gone to a private place and you have proceeded down the road to intercourse it is not rape until the moment you make your change of heart clear. You cannot claim rape because you went to the middle of the act and said no and I stopped when you said it even though their may have been groping or even penetration.

In the case of George and the guy who was in his room with him the story the guy is telling is that when he said no George stopped. If George had gone on after that or threatened him trying to get him to continue then that would be rape. However if that was the first moment the guy had asserted himself and George was not responsible or aware of the guys full level of intoxication then George behaved appropriately even though the guy was well within his right to be disturbed. George stopped when the guy said stop. That is what you were supposed to do. Maybe it was presumptuous to have groped the guy, but the signals of going to a private room were ambiguous enough that it can be considered a mistake and unless George persisted George did not do anything wrong, and he stopped any further touching after an objection was made. Had he groped him in a bar it might have been rude and out of place, and that may have been assault because we do not grope others in bars.

Just to make it clear. If I am drinking with George takei and I have had a bunch and go back to his room or mine and we are both there and he grabs my junk. At that moment I wake up from whatever drug I was under and I do not want him touching me I tell him no, just like the guy did. If George stops and leaves or sends me home then George has not wronged me that I know of. If I feel like I may be more than drunk I am going to get a drug test and then I might have a complaint against George for giving me a substance I was not aware of if it was positive there was something I did not know of in my system, but even then George didn't rape me. Giving someone an substance against their knowledge is a form of assault, but the crotch grasp is not rape or assault unless it was George who gave me the substance. If I drank myself silly and came to when my crotch was being grabbed and the person stopped when I objected then the situation still sucks, but thanks for being a decent person and stopping when I might still be fucked up and an easy victim. Yes, that is what you are supposed to do, but I really made a mistake and I could have been seriously hurt if some lesser person was there.

I will totally agree my claims about women suck and are awful. They obviously do not apply to every single one, but sometimes reality sucks. When I learned this shit I was angry at being friend zoned. The things I did at the time were awful and mean. I was a fucking dick. Worse yet was it worked. Even worse than that, I found out it can work on me. It took a conscious effort to stop trying to please people who treated me badly, and I overlooked the people who were nice to me and treated me with respect. Something about the psychology of the dynamics of being the one who is chased and the one who does the chasing causes this to commonly happen. I cannot even figure out why it felt so right and normal to do.

I noticed the same thing about being abused. As a guy I never grasped why women always blamed themselves for being abused when so clearly the abuser was at fault. But I found myself there with someone. I found myself wondering why I made them hit me. I found myself blaming myself for setting them off and believing them when they blamed it all on me. Luckily my habit of self assessment and analysis caused me to see myself doing the very thing I never u understood other people doing.

There is a thinking process and mindset to these things. That mindset causes people to step back into the cycles of abuse. That is why sometimes the victim works against their own self interests. Yes, that is blaming the victim for going back into the situation over and over, but until we can identify why that happens we cannot stop the victim from doing self destructive behavior. Abusers work on this cycle. Some may even be aware of it, and some may just instinctively do it. But we cannot say victim blaming is bad so we will not address this problem. It is possible to break the cycle and give the victim the power and awareness to stop doing the cyclic things they do. But we need to be able to admit there is a mental process there that causes us to make the same mistakes over and over.

When I see these short story sized posts of Tererun's, and scroll past them for being TLDR, I picture his jaws flapping so fast, you can shove branches and brush in, and they shred into saw dust.
Is it just me?
Am I the only one?
I can't possibly be the only one.

I have to say I feel this way. Largely.

We the hell do I get rhe fuck you smilie for agreeing?

George Takei Once Talked About Grabbing Men To ‘Persuade’ Them To Have Sex

When Stern inquired if Takei had ever been involved in nonconsensual sexual activity, an uncomfortable silence followed, as the actor attempted to laugh off the question.

“Did you ever grab anyone by the cock against their will?” Stern asked at one point.

“Some people that are kind of … umm … skittish or maybe … um … afraid and you’re trying to persuade...” Takei said.


“No, it wasn’t at work,” he said. “It was either in my home ― they came to my home.”

Stern then tried to get Takei to clarify further, asking if he ever gave someone “a gentle squeeze on the balls.”

“More than a gentle,” Takei replied. “But it didn’t involve power over the other.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...-men-howard-stern_us_5a07469be4b0e37d2f37c8e8

As long as it is at his house and the person can walk away without threats or physical resistance than suck it up. I am not saying you have to like the guy, and maybe even it would be his fault if someone popped him in the nose once for grabbing their crotch unwanted. That is surprising and rude and there are better ways to go about things and I do not blame people for being angry or surprised if he is grabbing crotches without warning or the people knowing that might be the case at his private gathering. If he gets a bad rep and no one wants to go to his house then that is his fault. Like I said even a punch in the nose I would consider takei's fault if he is grabbing people's crotches uninvited. But that is not rape, and unless something more happens that isn't even something the police should be involved with unless it is an ongoing problem or in a public place. Don't grab people in public.

All Tererun needs is "little bitch was ugly, they should be fucking grateful!!", and he'll have the whole collection.

Please stop while you're behind.

She.

Tererun's disgusting views are no reason to stoop to misgendering.

Besides that,

"Ya gotta grab em by the penis. You're rich, so they let you."-George Takei

No, I really would like to understand why this is so bad. I am legitimately asking because I want to evaluate the argument and understand other people's feelings. That is why I posted long explanations to try to explain my point of view. I know other people are set in their minds and they have their own bias, but I am saying I want to understand your point of view better. I think you have read enough of my posts to know that is an honest statement for desired discussion. Maybe I am seeing it wrong, it would not be the first time in my life that has happened. But I do need more explanation.