Last Jedi Spoiler thread

Really? Atttack Of The Clones? Come on.
Facepalm.
I nailed it. I'm a hero.
Fine, withdrawn.
Facepalm.

*Sees some of the sexist, racist, and anti-liberal attacks on TLJ from other places*

Y'know what?
You guys are good.

Spot on.

To be honest, I loved the discussion about slavery and how people were profiting on both sides from the war. It very much is a reflection of our society and felt like a little sprinkle of Trek and Rebels. As a matter of fact, when the movie was good, it reminded me of Rebels.

In case you're serious: I take a 'disagree' to mean disagreement, which is fine and happens among reasonable people all the time, with only a tiny slither of aggression included in using the icon to express it. A facepalm on the other hand is an ad hominem, saying the person has just discredited themselves rather than just their position.

I don't take life as serious as you do, I guess.
I just thought it meant "oh brother", or "gimme a break".

Not as serious as you take Star Wars movies, clearly.

Meltdowns in MC.

I dont tend to hangout in this forum too often, is this how you guys normally roll?

When it's a movie Dicky blindly loves, yes.

More Johnson on the backlash.

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rian-johnson-backlash-grow/

I’m planning to watch the movie again this weekend so my opinion might change.

But for now I’m sticking by my statement. This was the most problematic Star Wars movie since Episode II. Of course this is all just my opinion, I have no problem with anyone liking the movie or disliking the movie. I’m somewhere in between.

Both AOTC and TLJ had an interesting core story but also some awful filler and some dumb moments that detracted from the film as a whole.

As good as the Kylo/Rey stuff was, a large portion of the movie was spent on the pointless Finn/Rose subplot as well as the pointless Poe ‘resistance within the resistance’ subplot. Can’t ignore that. Or the discarding of interesting elements from TFA. Snoke? Nobody. Rey? Nobody. Knights Of Ren? Nobody. So the movie, to me, was a mixed bag.

Same with AOTC. Anakin’s descent, the beginning of the Clone Wars, Palpatine’s manipulations, Obi Wan’s discovery of Kamino and Geonosis... all interesting stuff. But almost all undone by the awful, awful romance scenes on Naboo and Anakin’s creepy stalker act (Anakin is portrayed so much better in the Clone Wars cartoon).

In contrast the movies between (III, VII, and R1) were solid and enjoyable and I only had minor qualms with them.

I don’t mind TLJ taking risks and changing up the formula. But not all their changes worked out and I felt like they didn’t know what to do with a lot of the characters. This movie was pretty much about Rey, Ben, and Luke. What was the point of casting a solid actress like Gwendoline Christie in a part where she barely had any lines over two movies, never did anything interesting, and we never even got to see her without the helmet? Anyone could have played that role. Benicio del Toro was also wasted. He did nothing at all. It seems like Lupita Nyongo was contractually obligated to be in this film otherwise she was pointless too. How does Poe even know who she is? Or Rose? Finn only met her once. Anyone could have given them the tip.

Technically, Poe Dameron ought to be court-martialed and thrown out of the service. Finn, too. Not only was their unauthorized mission to shut down the hyperspace tracker a failure, it was totally unnecessary given Admiral Holdo's plan, which, given Poe's hot-headed nature, she was perfectly reasonable to withhold from him. The failed mission also resulted in the deaths of almost the entire remaining Resistance and, were it not for Holdo's sacrifice, would've brought about the end of the Resistance.

Well maybe someone should have told Poe, "hey chill. this is what we are doing."

Poe is operating off of faulty information. From his POV the rebel leadership has gone bonkers and is acting in a way that will destroy the alliance.

And then if you still didn't trust him lock his ass in the brig.

He’s just digging himself out of a hole. I really don’t care what he has to say.

You're both right. Both the crew and the leadership are awful at their jobs. (And Leia coming back and hugging Poe into submission isn't a lot healthier, frankly.) On the one hand, this makes the complete downfall of the resistance in the very short time since TFA somewhat more believable. On the other, it makes it really difficult to root for them.

The thing that really irritated me was waiting two years to see Luke’s reaction to Rey handing him the lightsaber and he just throws it behind his back, WTF?

I laughed out loud at that.

I disagree.
I think you do care, and you love him, and want to kiss him on the mouth.

Just saw it last night.

As I left the cinema, I really couldn't decide if I loved it, or if I hated it. There was so much to criticize. So many huge plot holes, weird plot decisions, strange "in-universe" decisions, and a mix of amazing acting (Mark Hamill, Adam Driver) and horrible acting (Domhnall Gleeson was really, really horrible as General Hux, just like in VII).

But oddly enough, despite its many, many flaws... I still think I liked it and I don't know why!

Nevertheless, I think this will NOT stand the test of time with me. I think when I look back over the Star Wars sage when I'm 55, this one will be toward the bottom in my esteem. I really can't understand (not even a little) why some people are calling it the best of the series.

EDIT TO ADD: I avoided ALL spoilers and ALL reviews before I went in to see it. The only thing I had to "spoil" anything were my own expectations about what Ep. VIII should have delivered, and whatever content was available in the various trailers.

After carefully considering things, this is my current ranking of all Star Wars films from best to worst according to my own tastes and opinion:

5 > 4 > Rogue One > 3 > 7 > 6 > 2 > 8 > 1

Yes. I said it.

"Attack of the Clones" is better than "The Last Jedi".

I haven’t seen AOTC in a long time, but I remember liking it. I don’t hate the prequels though.

Wow, Non Mothma was incompetent. Purple hair dye must have soaked into her brain. Also didn't like Rose, she just kinda forced herself into the story.

That said the movie had a lot to take in, I'll either watch it again or take a few days to process what I watched to make a solid opinion.

I couldn't decide if I liked it or not either afterwards. The trip to jack up the hyperdrive tracker seemed to only be necessary to prevent Finn from running away. But after a bit of thought, the problem with Luke resolved itself in my head. He did not want to be the legendary Luke Skywalker as he felt he failed and did enough damage. However at the end, by appearing as an indestructible Jedi taking on the First Order by himself, he became exactly that. The legendary hero returns, the story spreads, the Rebellion is reborn!
Besides, anyone who saw him whine about picking up power converters at the Toshi Station, whine about being on Degobah and giving up because his X-Wing was too heavy to pull out of the swamp should have no problem believing he becomes a grumpy old man.

Man, it's hard for me to rank these.

I know 5 and 4 are the best and my favorites. I know 1 and 2 are my least favorite. 3 is the best of the prequels, and Rogue One, 7, and 8 are better than any of the prequels. So it's sorting out those last 3 and fitting in 6.

I'm going with this...

5 > 4 > Rogue One > 6 > 7 > 8 > 3 > 2 > 1

But ask me in a week and the middle 5 could be in a different order.

The real test for me is, once the films involved have been around for a while, which one would I rather watch again?

Right now, I'm biased towards TLJ because it's still new and I've only seen it a couple of times, so I'm downgrading it a bit. It might move past TFA in the long haul.

TFA loses a bit for being a quasi-re-hash of ANH, but R1 continues to hold up.

A big part of my enjoyment of TLJ is the unexpectedness of things in it; I don't know if that will be an enduring quality.

Okay, so that explains your whinging about TLJ. You have no taste.

So this actually makes me appreciate the movie a lot more. It still didn't manage to bring those points across effectively to me, but at least this reading suggests several excellent plans having gone awry rather than a mere chaotic writing process.