Last Jedi Spoiler thread

It's an extension of powers we have seen.
Obi-Wan in Episode 4 makes a gesture, and a Stormtrooper goes "what was that? Did you hear something?".
So there's a Jedi power of auditory hallucination.
Why not visual?
And Luke has a visual hallucination in the Dagobah force cave.
And force ghosts are projections of themselves.

Kylo tells Rey "how are you doing this? You should be dead".
Then we find out Snoke is making the connection.

We forget, because hyperdrive shrinks the universe, but not only is a Jedi/Sith force projecting, they have to do it across trillions of miles.
That would take it out of anybody.

Yes because fighting Nazis is craving adventure and excitement. It’s not that Johnson is a hack writer that purposely wanted to split the fans.

I'm sorry that you hate Empire.
Puts you in quite the minority there.

Force projection was established in Rebels, but general audiences shouldn’t have to do homework before seeing the movie.

I’ll just leave this right here.

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Literally just crossed my Facebook feed.

I don’t hate Empire. You’re just an idiot who excuses bad writing and trolling.

Seems like you do.

Not necessarily. I believe I posted a link to an episode of The SlashFilmCast when they interviewed Rian Johnson in this thread. He admitted that he wanted to have a scene where Luke hands Kylo Ren his own ass. He admitted he couldn't make it work without the film being over 3 hours long. He knew. He had to know.

This x 1,000,000,000,000.

No one said Luke had to go out swinging for the fences. But his death was cheap. He just willed himself to die?

At least wait to kill him in the third movie.

Kylo Ren has a line in the movie where he states that Rey couldn't be the one psychically connecting them because the effort would kill her. Luke doesn't will himself to die; he exerts so much power, that the effort is fatal.

Still a cheap death.

Depends on how you look at it. And I'm still not sure about it: part of me agrees with you, and part of me is okay with it.

If you look at it as "Luke intervenes to save the Resistance at the cost of his own life" it really isn't cheap.

I think the dissatisfaction we're having is that we didn't get to see Luke well and truly kick some ass. He displayed an awesome amount of power, but it was all distraction and diversion.

There’s nothing wrong with Luke wanting to sulk on the island because he felt he failed and there’s nothing wrong with Yoda teaching him his final lesson, it’s how it was executed that’s the problem. Like Hamil said, the Jedi wouldn’t just give up, fall back, reassess the situation, yes, but give up, no. It simply could have been handled better. Obiwan still went out with one final fight and saved the rebellion. Luke was supposed to be the new hope and should have just gotten a better ending.

It was what killed his mommy.

Did you read the thing Shooter linked to?
That's the point.

Luke's "ass kicking"", in Jedi was a failure.
His pacifism in throwing the saber aside was the success.

Luke's solution to the Kylo fight fits in with his surrender in Jedi.

The western mind seems to have trouble with that.

Obi-Wan was violent in Episode 4, because he probably figured "fuck it, I'm probably already going to Hell for Vader, and I've got to keep this kid alive".

Yes, and, admittedly, I never really got that, though it's in plain sight. I mean, I always knew Luke realized he was succumbing to the Dark Side, but I didn't pick up the whole "the only winning move is not to play" aspect. And, yes, that does sorta fit with TLJ Luke. People say that RJ gets Star Wars, and I'm inclined to agree.

Yeeeeees, but...

...I still wanted to see Luke go bad-ass.

Edit: it's like No Country for Old Men. I get that the Coens were going for subversion and portraying the randomness of the situation (and I think they did it very well), but I still wanted a version with the Hollywood-cliche showdown ending involving Woody, Brolin, and Bardem.

Well, if you're a super-nerd that gets a brain-boner from philosophy, then he WAS badass.

BTW, my wife actually got angry at the way that film ended.

"That's it??? "

I, OTOH, loved it because it wasn't a "Hollywood ending".

I'm still 50/50 on it.
I didn't want a Hollywood ending, but I wanted something besides....THAT.

Not having read the source material, I wasn't prepared for the ending...but I liked it because that's just how life is sometimes. The bad guy gets away and the good guy retires.

I didn’t necessarily want a Hollywood ending, but the throwing the lightsaber bit just really turned me off. Also, the R2 scene should have had more merit. That was the only scene that actually made me tear up and I felt it should have been followed up with something with more gravity.

Cheap move.

In ANH the Empire was focussed on crushing the Resistance, and doing a pretty good job of it, and were just waiting for the go-faster stripes to dry off on the Death Star, by the time ROTJ rolls around the two most potent drivers of the Empire have their attentions divided. In Vader's case, the fact his children had lived, and a desire to reconnect and the rot of doubt setting. in Palpatine's case, a further chance to feed his hate of the Jedi by converting one.

That was all down to Luke. If anything shit all over Luke's work, then it was TFA which took everyone back to square one.

And he died a hero, the last remnants of the Rebellion - again, TFA gave us this - had their backs against a wall, Luke gave them time and reconnected.

TLJ made a few mistakes, but how Luke turned out wasn't one of them. He was given the weight of the entire Jedi Order to hold, is it any wonder his failures made him turn away?

In one way TLJ had a meta component with Luke - how could any one person meet the expectations of resurrecting an entire Order? Just as how could anyone make a SW film that met the fandoms?

The problem is TFA played safe, rather than go a new direction it set up a repeat of the OT.