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Shitty movie. They take the coward's way out and return without altering anything.

Zipang isn't especially good or anything (seems mostly like something for military and history otaku), but it's interesting to see the approach they took vs. The Final Countdown. The funny thing is, they ended up finding out that the past they're stuck in might not actually be connected to their own present, as

I'm just going to leave this right here.

All the Easter eggs straight from people that worked on the film.

Ok... I’m the middle of my 4th watch and I am liking it more and more. I still hate the casino plot but more than anything, I just can’t forgive this movie playing Luke Skywalker like a bitch. We’ve waited decades to see Luke in his bad ass Jedi glory and it never happened. He never got off his ass and did anything. Even when he projected himself across the galaxy to save the resistance and sacrifice himself, the couldn’t be bother to actually go there. Mark Hamil was great in this movie and he’s grown leaps and bounds as an actor sine the original trilogy. It’s a shame that Johnson didn’t utilize him for something more than this.

Any technological advantage you have against the Borg disappears the second they adapt to it, at which point they also use that same technology to enhance themselves.

So, how long do you think that it would take the Borg to adapt to a technology that was 100s of years ahead of anything they had? Given that the Borg would essentially be cavemen going up against a fully modern military who's first choice of weaponry would be nukes?

So long as they've got nanoprobes, it might take them the better part of one evening. Remember this guy?

Tommy guns and blades seem to do the job against the borg

The Borg are hardly unique in their ability to "analyze and adapt" ... every intelligent species does it. Their advantage comes from the speed with which they do it.

But we saw with Species 8472 that it's not a superpower. A Civil War general who was good at "analyzing and adapting" would do very well against his usual opponents, in that if he knew what type of attack was going to be used, he'd be able to defend against it. That's basically what the Borg did in their early encounters with the Federation: "Oh, you're going to attack us with phasers set to that frequency? OK, we'll set our shields to that frequency too." But that same Civil War general would have trouble "adapting" if you dropped a nuclear bomb on his encampment or shoved a rocket-propelled grenade up his ass.

Given that I quit watching Voyager long before 7 of 9 showed up, nope.

Correction.

Holographic Tommy gun.

The Borg Drones knew they were in the Holodeck and figured they couldn't be hurt because of the protocols.

They got sloppy.

I'd bet if Picard had been facing more than two drones the rest would have adapted immediately.

The real question is how did Picard and Lily change so damn fast.

#1: Shields don't do so well against kinetic energy. It would be interesting of the Borg we're defeated by old school style weaponry.

#2 Holographic clothing projected onto the cap and Lily.

The Borg shields didn't even come up. And shields do just fine against kinetic energy. Especially low speed holographic bullets.

Cop out argument. That clothing was not projected.

Just watched the latest episode of Rebels and that's how you do Star Wars. A lot more emotional. Dave Feloni should have been in charge of Lucasfilm.

Hamill says Luke's not really dead. https://www.cnet.com/news/star-wars-last-jedi-icon-mark-hamill-has-luke-skywalker-theory/

The more time that passes, the more bitter I grow about The Last Jedi. Rian Johnson broke Luke Skywalker. There's no going back. The movie that introduced him was named A NEW HOPE. It was about him. Luke Skywalker was the new hope. He died a redeemless cynic that turned his back on everything he held dear in life and I just can't get over it.

Well, technically, Luke dies to save the Resistance. In the final analysis, does it matter if he was physically present on the scene?

I'm not sure he could've done more if he was there.

I'm somewhat ambivalent about Luke's fate. I agree that isolating himself as the Galaxy fell apart doesn't square with my notions of the character, but people change and they react in ways you don't expect.

Technically, Luke died from Force-AIDS. Nothing can convince me otherwise.

We all get more cynical as we get older and we all have moments of self doubt. I didn't expect that wide -eyed kid from Tatooine to be any different. When Rey tracked him down in The Force Awakens and the movie ended with her reaching out to him with his light saber, I knew it wasn't going to be all sunshine and roses. I knew he would need some convincing... Just like we all know there is still some light in Kylo Ren. We didn't need Rey to tell us that.

I just don't think that Rey leaves that planet without Luke or with him not far behind.

They save the dog. But yeah, I think the Birmingham "Axis of Time" trilogy was far more realistic about what would happen if a fleet of modern warships got dropped back into World War Two era.

Though realistically there is no way they could've afforded "Axis of Time" movie back in the late 1970s.

If you look at the totality of Star Wars, the more we learn about the Jedi as a whole the less and less makes sense. Going back to "The Phantom Menace" it is stated in the movie by Liam Neeson's old Jedi to Padme, "we aren't here to fight your war for you", which begs the question of just what the hell is the purpose of these historic, legendary superwarriors in the first place.

I think the quote is actually

and I took this to mean that just a couple of Jedi were insufficient or unauthorized to battle the entire Trade Federation.

Presumably, the Jedi could step in and fight a war--they do in later episodes--but it seems the Chancellor had expected that the mere appearance of two Jedi with a directive to end the blockade would be sufficient to stop the Trade Federation's activities.

Last Jedi was shit from beginning to end. Nothing about the story these fools are trying to tell makes a lick of sense, and their characters don't hold a candle to the iconic heroes of the OT.

I have never felt the urge to watch Force Awakens or Last Jedi more than once. That right there tells me all I need to know about the poor quality of these films.

For all the crap the prequels have gotten over the years (much of it deserved, some of it exaggerated), at least Lucas dared to try something new and the story of Palpatine's machiavellian rise to power is more interesting than anything happening in these new movies.

Nothing about Luke's characterization made sense, nothing was consistent with what we knew of him from the OT. And that's why Hamill reacted negatively in the beginning, because he knew it was bullshit.

Luke manifests a Force power heretofore unseen, and inexplicably dies without any explanation of why projecting a Force hologram would be fatal.

Not at all. There are very much parallels to the films that came before TLJ.

I really hate to bring up the prequels, but I'm going to.

The only character (and actor) worth a shit in those movies was Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor). When we "first" meet Obi-Wan in the prequels, he's a fresh-faced optimistic Jedi with a bit of an impish attitude. When we see Obi-Wan in ANH, he's an old weary fuck who acts like he's seen it all. There's definitely a bitterness there -- not as much as Luke in TLJ -- but it's there.

To grudgingly give George Lucas credit, he either purposely ret-conned the character to show the journey that Obi-Wan underwent... or it was complete serendipity. (I'm probably thinking both.)

The point being, the jaded Luke Skywalker we see in TLJ is completely consistent with the SW universe that we know.

The fanboys can't seem to wrap their head around that if Luke had been the "badass", they wanted to see, then the lessons Yoda taught him in ESB would have been meaningless.

“Adventure. Excitement. A Jedi craves not these things”.

At the end, Luke solves the big battle with passivity.
I think that's fucking genius.
Rian Johnson actually paid attention.