Assault Weapon Ban

Don't sweat it. It's just steve2^4.

Until fairly recently, he didn't even know that you could put an antenna in your attic and pick up local television channels.

Well that depends on where the beer was coming from.

Wait! We only have FF out circling. It isn't a real circle without at least 3 wagons.



Shooter seems piqued. I think he has your back.

Funny (funny weird not funny ha-ha) was one Saturday morning one of my buds who lived off-post came up to me outside a classroom near our company barracks
with the greeting that probably played out all across Korea in 1992:

"Dude, there's a bloody hooker in my bed!" Actually that was kind of an understatement - at one point there was a hooker and a lesbian schoolgirl.
I guess you had to be there.

Add a shotgun and it might get really messy.

Justice for Shoes!

I am Man Afraid of his Shoes!

We need to add a gun to this one. To annoy SteveO.

And that avatar is self-aware and funny and smart. Whatever this debate needs, it isn't in need of less smart people.

I'm about as Northern as you can be without being Alaskan, idiot. Also, the Lakota care nothing about the fight between you white folks, we just want the Black Hills back.

so we have an article from a Brit telling us that Florida law says no one under 21 may own such a gun and.....EVERYONE....in a position to know telling us Cruz could legally own the gun from the age of 18.

Hmmm.

Upthread i showed you the words of a conservative Republican veteran who'd carried the military version of this rifle for multiple tours who told us it's essentially the same weapon as the AR-15 and you ignored it but cheerlead for the Brit who says "Is not!" and you think this super-reliable bloke is making your opponents cry?

Yeah, un-huh. Kinda weepy for the critical thinking skills on display in the gun debate at large.

my question on the matter is that in most situations where a personal defensive weapon is needed and appropriate, home invasion, direct physical attack, etc - in what sense is a long gun ever going to be a better defensive weapon than a handgun?

y'all keep saying that as if - for example - Australia is not a free country.

Harsh reality is that "freedom" doesn't ONLY look like the NRA of the last 40 years says it looks.

To go back to that Republican Rep's point: we ALREADY draw lines beyond which private ownership of guns cannot trespass, and still other lines beyond which purchase of guns may not pass....so the right wing rhetoric that any increased regulation tramples the 2A is silly. If it's not trampled now, another few rules won't tramle it either.

One can certainly debate the efficacy of any proposed rule - but all this "mah freedom!!!" and "but the constitution!!!" rhetoric is silly. That's not what is at issue unless you are discussing a proposal to ban ALL private ownership of ALL firearms.

I'm thinking you need to brush up on your definition of "all"


(albeit I'm assuming here that Steve meant long-guns when he said "semi-automatic" and not handguns. There seems to be different conversations going on about one as opposed to the other)

let me enter into the record that at present I am not at all sure the extent to which I think various sorts of gun use ought to be limited, I've heard some good ideas and some reasonable objections.

What I am convinced of is that some things do need to be done, that unless complete bans are on the table this is not about the second amendment, and that gun-defenders - in most but not all cases - are making pretty flaccid arguments for their position and some are just fountains of rage without any coherent arguments at all.
(I also concede some on the left make poor arguments too, though those are typically rooted in citing data that doesn't bare scrutiny rather than just straight up irrationality)

Any assumption that I'm firmly committed to any specific proposal is completely faulty. What distinguishes me from the 2A Cult is that I think that an open and objectively rational discussion of a wide range of proposals is VERY much in order and the whole "slippery slope" bullshit is passed it's expiration date.

well Nova here is why a long gun might be better than a handgun for home defense: more power firing the same round - X bullet will travel Y faster from a longer barrel than a shorter barrel. The bullet has more time to accelerate. It's kind of like drawing your fist back halfway and punching somebody versus drawing your fist back all the way and punching somebody. Also better accuracy so IF the situation extended to where the bad guy is outside your home but not running away - bad guy is in your yard shooting at your kid's bedroom window or whatever - you would stand a much better chance of hitting said bad guy. For a "no time to think" attack whether in your home or in your car granted it's a wash really. A handgun might allow you to react and move faster (and engage the target faster) in a tighter area and if it's really tight quarters a bad guy could grab or push aside (or otherwise control) a longer weapon. Hopefully the defender isn't dumb enough to get so close that a bad guy can close the distance and overwhelm them or grab their weapon, but sometimes you can't control that environment. And safety-wise any weapon packing enough firepower to stop the attack quickly will go through walls & doors too.

Excellent, shoes, you got enough wagons in your train to make a circle! And you didn't think you were an activist.

The avatar has jumped the shark and represents the complacency of its user in the gun debate.

I'm not the one that made this thread about my avatar, and I had nothing to do with the wagon circling.

How about a flatbed instead of a wagon?

Whatever trips your trigger, hoss.

Well yes there are situations.

The water isn't boiling yet, and the frog seems okay so far, so turning the heat up a little more won't hurt the frog, right?
That's the way gun legislation has been for us for the last 30 or 40 years.
One more little rule. One more little rule. One more little rule...

They're circling you. You're the focus.

And look, NOT an assault rifle! A .45-70 that can shoot thru a buffalo, but only 6 shots.

And you're the one who made me the focus. You've turned a gun debate into an avatar debate. Congratulations I guess.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.a9e35ed28871

Small steps, shoes, small steps.