Do guns prevent crime?

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  1. MikeH92467

    MikeH92467 RadioNinja

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    Take a look at this and get back to me.
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  2. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    It's arguable, but I know my having a gun can help stop crimes against me.
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Guns do nothing. They are inanimate. Unless you pick it up, it's just gonna sit there looking scary.
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    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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  5. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    There you have it, folks. The Fraidy Cats' Manifesto.
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  6. K.

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    It certainly can. It can also help you or others commit crimes against you or others.
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  7. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    As far as I go, that hasn't happened yet, and there is no reasonable expectation that it will.
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    There is every reasonable expectation that it could, either way. And how many crimes against you have you stopped with a gun?
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    It is possible, but not very probable.
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    That is the dumb fraidy cat manifesto because every day people who own guns get robbed, murdered, and raped despite having a gun. Of course, having a gun means they can also shoot their kids, blow their nuts off, or lose their gun.
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  12. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    No, there isn't. I've owned guns for decades and have never committed even a small crime with one (or even a small crime without one, for that matter). You may as well say I shouldn't own a car because I might just choose to run someone over with it.
    None. I also haven't used my fire extinguisher or my catastrophic health insurance, but I'm keeping them both.
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  13. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Thus the "Defender of the Faith" addendum to the Fraidy Cats' Manifesto.
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  14. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    I was wondering how long before we were treated to the Fire-Extinguisher Argument.

    Mention hammers and flowerpots and you win the trifecta. :yes:
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    But your catastrophic health insurance cannot accidentally go off while you are playing with yourself and blow your dick off. Just saying you probably should play with one gun or the other from now on so no accidents happen.
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    It's funny how the people who want to ban guns because they are afraid of them like to accuse others of being fraidy cats. :lol:
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  17. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    My gun, my dick, my choice.
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  18. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    I'm not afraid of guns. I'm afraid of psychos with guns. And you're edging more and more in that direction daily. Keep up the good work!
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  19. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    A friend of mine once opined that many people who are afraid of others owning guns have dark impulses themselves and are projecting them onto others. There may be something to that.
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    We are afraid you are going to hurt yourself with your gun like so many of those responsible gun owners accomplish every year. Plus you are correct. I am not to keen on getting shot because you have a small dick and quiver in fear every time a person gets near you. Take some valium and some Viagra and save us the collateral damage.
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  21. K.

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    Did you notice that your logic made a 180° turn in the middle of that post?
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  22. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Just some friendly advice, but please do whine to us when it happens.
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  23. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    There's no turn in my logic.

    You maintain that there's some likelihood of crime from me and my guns. I explain that there isn't any reasonable likelihood, and show--with the car example--that you could fear any capability I have that could potentially result in harm, regardless of whether such fears are realistic.

    You then question whether a gun is, in fact, useful because it hasn't been used to stop crime. I give examples of things that--like guns--are not used unless one has extreme need.
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  24. K.

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    In the first half of your post, you use as one of your premisses, "If something hasn't happened in a long time, that means there is no reasonable expectation that it will happen in the future." In the second half of your post, you explicitly argue that "If something hasn't happened in a long time, that doesn't mean that it isn't reasonable to expect it to happen in the future." This is what we call an opposite.

    Note that I didn't question whether a gun is useful because it hasn't been used to stop crime. A full response to this post should include an explanation for why you felt it necessary to make that up.
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  25. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Your friend is probably saying more about himself than about anyone who wants to keep guns out of the hands of mass shooters.
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  26. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    I acknowledge I may never need my gun. But the downside for needing it and not having it is pretty severe, so I choose to have it.
    I presumed that's where your argument was headed. :shrug:
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    You realize that very, very, very, very, very, very few gunowners are potential mass shooters? To be fearful that your gun-owning neighbor is going to kill someone is akin to being fearful that your gay neighbor is a child molester. There are examples of people who are both things, but they are extremely unusual and not at all representative of the group as a whole.
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  28. K.

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    That's nice. It doesn't address even one of the points above though.

    My response to you saying that your gun can be useful in the future was,

    How did that suggest that my argument was headed in the opposite way?
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  29. MikeH92467

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    It is interesting that none, not a single post addresses anything in the article. There are no quotes, no claims that are argued, no opposing statistics cited. Therefore I say that there is a lot of :lalala:going on. Does anybody have any problems with the research or do you just already "KNOW" what you need to "KNOW"?
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    I'm still amazed people are into threads like this.
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