Think you know Peter Strzok? Think again.

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  1. matthunter

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    Riiiggghhhttt... The FBI and Fusion just happened to have the magical power to force several Putin-linked Russians to email Don Jr with promises of dirt on Clinton, to which they faked his response of "fantastic!!" and then booked a room for them all at Trump Tower where they somehow found themselves as if they were in a fucking Cube movie.

    Are your neurons even firing at this point?
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  2. cpurick

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    Well, we could certainly ask him. But there doesn't seem to be anything he knows that wasn't spoon-fed to him by DOJ operatives in order to get grounds for getting warrants on him. Honestly, it looks like all that's left to do is to figure out who Mifsud was really working for, but it seems pretty unlikely that two different covert operations were both setting him up. Are you stupid enough to believe that "The Russians" leaked secrets to this complete nobody and then he just coincidentally revealed them to an Australian diplomat? The whole fucking thing was a setup. Our side told him everything he knew, on purpose, in order to create grounds for surveillance. It's a recurring theme: the more we look at this investigation, the more the investigators fall under suspicion.

    Assuming legitimate evidence against Trump, you would think DOJ would share it with Congress in order to build their case. Yet they won't comply with oversight. Why do you suppose that is? I mean, I know why, but I wonder how you lefties explain it to each other when you're telling yourself The Russia Investigation really isn't a hoax.
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  3. cpurick

    cpurick Why don't they just call it "Leftforge"?

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    Let's see. Would that be the same Clinton whose campaign laundered money through a law firm to FusionGPS to pay foreign agents to buy dirt on Trump from Russia, while the same Clinton's supporters simultaneously fed fiction about "golden showers" through the Russians to guarantee that it would appear in said dirt? Are you talking about the Trump campaign being willing to accept dirt on that particular Clinton? And you're doing it with a straight face??? Oh, and after going through those costly maneuvers to create dirt on Trump, do you actually suppose that same Clinton camp wouldn't also have at least listened to what a source promised to tell them about Trump for free?

    Maybe with more political acumen Hillary would have sent someone completely off the record to screen the info for her in order to distance herself. But you would have to be a moron (and I haven't ruled that out) to actually believe Clinton wouldn't have done the exact same thing.
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  4. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Oh. Okay. :diacanu:
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    My face is straight. Yours is more like that Japanese android in Robocop 3 after Robo unloaded an assault cannon into its chops.

    FYI, pal, the dossier was first commissioned by REPUBLICANS.

    And you are literally the first person ever outside of an Alex Jones comments section to have the front to suggest - as if you are a member of a sentient species - that Clinton paid the Russians to put in the story about the golden showers.

    I mean, FFS, that's not even the fucking point of the investigation! If the dude likes getting pissed on or not is irrelevant! If Clinton was gonna go for fake stories, why not plant "proof" of money laundering - it's far more fucking likely!

    Question is, did he collude with Russians or try to cover it up if someone close to him did?

    Manafort's on the hook. Flynn's on the hook. Papadopoulos is on the hook. Cohen is on the hook.

    Mueller's got enough fish for a fucking paella, and you're complaining about the side dishes.
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    Hmm, either @cpurick loves parroting Hannity, or cpurick is Sean Hannity.
    To which, I say, Sean, you're a scumbag, but welcome to WordForge :)
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  7. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Well hold on. Maybe he's on to something. How do we know Clinton didn't hack the DNC herself huh? I mean think about it. What is the one email server in DC that didn't get hacked? The one Clinton had in her basement. Coincidence? Who's to say she didn't leak the emails to the GRU so that they could leak them to Wikileaks in order to cost her the election?
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    Come on, even one?
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    Fyi I'm always happy to give an explanation. All you need do is ask. :)
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  10. cpurick

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    Sorry, I don't even listen to Hannity.
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  11. cpurick

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    Yeah, you would like to think so. But you would be wrong.

    http://freebeacon.com/uncategorized/fusion-gps-washington-free-beacon/


    Not the Russians, my mistake. It went through Jonathan Winer. After Steele was commissioned to compile the dossier, Sidney Blumenthal and Cody Shearer "leaked" the salacious content back into Steel's product through Jonathan Winer. Winer detailed it in the Washington Post.

    Mueller has leverage. Manafort mostly for ancient financial irregularities. It's still not clear what they have Flynn for, but it's thought he's protecting his son. Not collusion, certainly. Papadopolous was a total setup, and I'm not even sure he lied to investigators as much as it appears they charged him with lying over some discrepancy in his statements. And Cohen is arguably on the hook for paying blackmail so a hooker wouldn't talk about her affair with Trump. Not exactly collusion.
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    cpurick Why don't they just call it "Leftforge"?

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    That's funny, joking about security breaches on illegal servers setup to avoid government oversight. To think you guys all voted for the criminal who put that classified info in reach of the internet.
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  13. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    I'm joking about you dude.
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    At least he didn't use Roman columns to spin his bullshit.
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    Great so you should have no problem backing up your claims with real sources.
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  16. Nova

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    He's so EDGY!

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  17. Nova

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    Boy you sample ALL the flavors of the kool aid dincha?

    "Russia or Hillary (or both)"

    BWAHAHA!



    "This shithead has major Trump derangement"

    As demonstrated by his saying about him....exactly what tons of Republicans were saying about him that spring

    Meanwhile, you have no mumbling word about the TrumpCult in the NY field office which was funneling info to Rudy.



    "His decisions all need to be reviewed, at every step, for the possibility that he took any action to "protect" the country from a Trump presidency."

    That has already been done.
    It's called the IG report.
    He found ZERO indication of inappropriate behavior.
    Try to keep up.


    "To this date, there is still no evidence of any untoward links between the administration and Russia"

    In your world denial clearly IS the longest river ever.



    "while there is a growing shitload of evidence that "Russia" is a hoax"

    OoooooKAY then! I guess I should move along, since there's no point in interacting with someone THAT deep into the cult.
    When's the Suicide Pact Event anyway?
  18. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    I for one would like to welcome Alex Jones to the ranks of our membership.
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  19. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    at the risk of wasting any keystrokes on a cultists....

    There are specific timeline date in the public record concerning when FusionGPS was first hired (by a conservative Paper), when they hired Steele, when the DNC hired them and when Steele became associated with that investigation (not knowing who he was working for still) and when his memos were first delivered...and when the first of these came to the attention of the FBI.

    Literally EVERYTHING noted in the indictments that the FBI was already investigating in the first half of 2016 occurred BEFORE they ever knew the Steele investigation existed.

    Either you're not very good at the Sean Hannity impersonation or you are indescribably stupid - likely both.
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    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    As Agent Strzok pointed out, if the objective was to stop Trump at any cost, he could simply have picked up the phone and played Deep Throat with literally anyone at WaPost in September 2016 and boom, done and done.

    In this day and age there are literally hundreds of credible outlets to choose from, not just two major papers... many of them only too happy to publish leaked documents.

    ANY person who believes at this point Strzok, either alone or in concert with others, was committed to Trump NOT being president and was willing to violate any rule or policy necessary to doing so should literally be checked into a care facility because they are clearly too stupid to make it through combing their hair without injuring themselves.
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  21. cpurick

    cpurick Why don't they just call it "Leftforge"?

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    Not at all. Unfortunately your preferred sources won't report the truth on any of this.
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    cpurick Why don't they just call it "Leftforge"?

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    In fact, I completely agree on the dossier timeline. The question is, what precipitated the investigation, and when?

    But the interesting part is that authorized overseers in Congress still do not have that information to this day. Furthermore, almost everything redacted so far has turned out to be redacted for political reasons rather than security.

    Please stop acting like the DOJ/FBI aren't hiding something. It's obvious that they are, and Congress has a pretty good idea of exactly what it is they don't want to reveal.
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    Preferred, schmeferred. Hell, I'll settle for thoroughly opinionated, if they report facts. Problem is, I suspect your "sources", if you didn't make your claims up from whole cloth, have a relationship to the truth like a bird and a fish - rare, fleeting, and very much not in the interests of the latter.

    But to the point, I think the more likely thing is you know that everyone will laugh at you for posting your "sources", so you're afraid. Coward. Go back to whatever shithole you crawled out of.
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    cpurick Why don't they just call it "Leftforge"?

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    Nobody worries about getting laughed at by idiots. Seriously, you are morons. I don't care what you think because it's only "thinking" in a nominal sense.

    Why don't you tell us when the "Russia investigation" started, and why?

    Now tell us why DOJ will not detail the origin of the investigation to lawful (and appropriately cleared) congressional oversight.

    It's obvious what's going on. Except perhaps to those who are holding out for some other answer. Good luck with that.

    There is no collusion. Nobody has been charged with collusion. Russian "meddling" is not collusion. It is not evidence of collusion. Only stupid people conflate the two.
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    I don't really want to play your game, because I and dozens of others have posted source after source documenting what's actually been happening, while you haven't got anyone more credible than Hannity (and usually less so) to point to, but for the sake of argument: Which one? There have been many. The FBI keeps tabs on everyone they think might be a Russian agent. Their interest in Carter Page goes back to at least 2013. Manafort was first interviewed in 2013. Their interest in Papadopolous predates his drunken ravings to the Australian intelligence officer, but boy did that get their attention. There was no single "Russia investigation" until Mueller was appointed, but if you really want to put a date on it, it's 2012, shortly before the FBI warned Dana Rohrabacher that he was being targeted by Russia.

    Again, which investigation? If there is a particular one, the basis for which the initial suspicion isn't being disclosed to Congress, it's most likely to protect a source in our or a foreign intelligence community, or to avoid tipping off unindicted targets of the investigation. Could be there's a member of Congress implicated and they don't want to tip their hand (spoiler alert: it's probably Dana Rohrabacher). Could also be that they have detailed the origin to Congressional oversight, and the furor is a show to make Rohrabacher think they haven't. Or it could be that it needs to look like Congress is being iced out in order to not reveal that Rohrabacher isn't working for Russia. We don't know. But we will, by the end of it, once the investigation is over.

    It's clearly not obvious to you. In fact, you seem to be having quite a hard time with it. Now, by all means, let's see your sources.

    True. Collusion definitionally requires secrecy, and Trump is very publicly bottoming for Putin. But there very likely was. The question is who and when. Papadopolous seems like an obvious who, so it's very likely there were others.
    That's true. But that's because "collusion" is not a defined crime. Only everything you'd have to do in order to collude, "Conspiracy to interfere in a US election," "making false statements to the FBI", "money laundering", "campaign finance law violation", "receiving stolen documents", "being an unregistered foreign agent", etc. are. Which is pretty much exactly what people are being charged with.
    Not directly, but it's pretty damning. Damning enough that the Special Counsel's investigation is fully warranted. I find your scare quotes on 'meddling' interesting.
    Only guilty people (and their toadies) want the Special Counsel's investigation to end prematurely.
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    Should Jim Jordan be burned at the stake for hentai and treason? I am Joffrey when it comes to stuff like that I will take tererun and Dayton's buggery seriously.
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  27. Nova

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    it's literally in the public record.
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    Nice filibuster, but it's still bullshit. It is a rationalization of what happened, but that is all. Because it is also incorrect on some points, overlooks other facts, and is not a complete explanation for the actions that were taken, especially in consideration of other available actions that were not taken. It is a fairy tale that you choose to believe. Your fairy tale doesn't explain the NSA unmasking abuses that Adm Mike Rogers shut down. It doesn't explain the sudden justification for warrants that appeared only after the unmasking abuses were stopped. It doesn't explain why Carter Page was wiretapped when he was already an established asset. It ignores that Papadopolous was set up -- from beginning to end -- by us. It ignores that everything Manafort is charged with was already known many years ago, and that he is only being charged now because of his brief relationship with Trump.

    In case you haven't noticed, there were two campaigns for president right up until election night. That means two places to look for "collusion". Yep, motherfucker, those are scare quotes. Because any legitimate search for "collusion" should be scrutinizing Podesta's relationship with Russia, Hillary's Russian backers, Bill Clinton's Russian speaking engagements, and Uranium One. And for all your utter bullshit about Russian collusion, you are remarkably uncurious about all those red flags.

    Sorry, nobody who voted for the Uranium One campaign has a leg to stand on when they complain about Trump. Whether it's because you're dishonest or because you're a fool is really not my concern.

    I am so fucking glad you scumbags lost, but my biggest fear is that none of you will go to prison over this mess you've created. I just hope Trump gets a chance to completely dislodge your miserable, treacherous ilk from its burrows in the bureaucracy.
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    https://freebeacon.com/national-sec...cting-trump-probe-hope-dem-takeover-congress/

    Focus less on the reporting of the Free Beacon, and note the source: Devin Nunes.

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    I think @cpurick might legitimately be retarded. Go easy on him, O2C.
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