2020 Presidential Primaries

Tererune · Jun 4, 2020

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steve2^4 said: ↑

the correct response would include, "And don't call me Shirley!"
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Sorry, that's pretty much a new one on me, too. Though I admit I think I have heard it somewhere.
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It's most well known from the movie "Airplane".

Ted Striker: "Surely you can't be serious?"
Dr. Rumack: "I AM serious, and don't call me Shirley"
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Googles "Airplane".

Ok, I see it's a film from a time when internet didn't yet exist, so I was really out of touch with the States. Not surprising I never heard of it. (But I did hear about the US hockey team at the 1980 Olympics. Even I am not that out of touch.)
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shootER · Jun 4, 2020

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I see shootER doesn't believe how out-of-touch you can get when you live out of the country long enough.
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The movie is 40 years old and people have been quoting it since before anyone had heard of the internet.

T.R · Jun 4, 2020

Police groups are breaking with Biden

Joe Biden has long prided himself on being a union-friendly Democrat with a good relationship with rank-and-file cops.

But Biden’s call for more national policing reforms and oversight in the wake of the death of George Floyd — and the perception that he hasn’t shown enough solidarity with law enforcement amid the ensuing nationwide protests and unrest — have created a fissure with law enforcement groups, leaving many who once supported him frustrated by what they regard as political posturing by their one-time ally.

"Clearly, he’s made a lot of changes the way candidates do during the primary process, but he kept moving left and fell off the deep end,” said Bill Johnson, executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations, the umbrella organization for Police Benevolent Association chapters.

“For Joe Biden, police are shaking their heads because he used to be a stand-up guy who backed law enforcement,” Johnson said. “But it seems in his old age, for whatever reason, he’s writing a sad final chapter when it comes to supporting law enforcement.”

As the two presidential candidates confront one of the most racially combustible moments in recent history, they are taking decidedly different tacks.

President Donald Trump has issued a full-throated call to restore “law and order” — even threatening military action to beat back violent protests. Biden has tiptoed around the defense of law enforcement, focusing instead on the need for reforms amid deep-seated racial disparities plaguing the nation.

In his first public speech in months, Biden on Tuesday focused on race, highlighted the rights of protesters and offered up police reforms. He made only a passing mention of police officers. The Trump campaign criticized him for failing to mention police killed and wounded amid the unrest.

Though many police tend to lean to the right politically, the criticism from the National Association of Police Organizations is new. NAPO endorsed Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 because of Biden’s presence on the ticket, Johnson said.

But the Obama-Biden reelection in 2012 marked a watershed political year in the relationship between law enforcement and the Democratic Party.

More than eight months before Obama’s reelection, the Black Lives Matter movement began in response to the shooting death of a black Florida teenager, Trayvon Martin, by a self-appointed neighborhood watchman. BLM made police brutality, systemic racism and the 1994 crime bill top issues for progressives in the 2016 and 2020 Democratic presidential primaries.

While under fire from the left, police increasingly became more Republican, said Jim Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police and former in-house lobbyist for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, who worked closely with Biden on the crime bill and other legislation.

“There are two evolutions in two directions. On law-and-order issues, Biden was right of center: the ‘94 crime bill, the Brady law and enhanced penalties. But as time has gone by, his positions have moderated, moderated, moderated to where we are today, where he would not be considered a law-and-order guy in the sense that law enforcement sees it,” Pasco said.

“Also, as time has gone by, the law enforcement community — especially the rank and file — has become far more conservative. Today, the FOP and other labor groups are far less open to addressing gun control issues, things that traditionally they supported and that Biden worked very closely and successfully with them on.”

For instance, Pasco said, law enforcement is less likely to be engaged in supporting gun control, which was once more popular with police. An assault-weapons ban was included in the ’94 crime bill along with other legislation that gave the federal government more power to investigate a “pattern or practice” of local law enforcement abuses.

But the 1994 crime bill also serves as the poster child for the mass-incarceration movement that swept states, and Biden has struggled to win support with progressives and young voters of color as a result. Many want to see more contrition from him over the bill’s role in popularizing mass incarceration, an issue that cropped up again in an interview two weeks ago with a black radio show host, leading Biden to say “you ain’t black” for supporting Trump. Biden later apologized.

Biden’s call Tuesday for more police reform and oversight helped shore up support among progressives, especially those who are young and nonwhite, as evidenced by the endorsement later in the day from former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro — the only Latino and the youngest Democrat to run against Biden for president — endorsed his former rival, citing the proposed reforms.

The Democratic group For Our Future said its research showed police brutality was a top five issue for young voters and voters of color in five of Florida’s seven major Democratic metropolitan strongholds in 2018, and it remains a big concern in urban areas of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Cornell Belcher, a pollster who surveyed African Americans before the midterm elections, found that black voters were about as likely to support protecting Medicare and Social Security as they were to back hate crimes legislation, “holding bad cops accountable” and ending racial profiling. All polled at 80 percent or higher.

“It is a feeling that has been building up for a while,” Belcher said.

Appealing to progressives over police policy is a balancing act for Biden, who has long pitched himself as “Middle Class Joe,” who appeals blue-collar union households. But Harold Schaitberger, head of the International Association of Fire Fighters, said Biden’s Tuesday speech was “pitch perfect” because it reflected how “he more than feels he’s been a lifelong, career-long supporter of law enforcement. I think he knows, hey, ‘I have a history. But this moment is about a moment, and I have to focus on our communities and black and brown communities.’”

In his speech, Biden pledged to establish a national police oversight commission in his first 100 days and called on Congress this month to outlaw the use of chokeholds by police and said: “There are other measures to stop transferring weapons of war to police forces, and improve oversight and accountability to create a model use of force standard.”

“Most cops meet the highest standards of their profession. All the more reason that bad cops should be dealt with severely and swiftly,” Biden said. “We all need to take a hard look at the culture that allows for these senseless tragedies to keep happening.”

The Trump campaign Wednesday drew attention to what was missing in his speech.

“Biden hasn't said a single word on one of the most horrific aspects of the bloodshed: attacks by rioters and looters, sometimes fatal, on police officers in the line of duty protecting innocent Americans,” the Trump campaign said in a Wednesday email that highlighted police deaths and injuries in eight instances nationwide.

Florida Rep. Val Demings, a former Orlando police chief on Biden’s short list to become his running mate, responded on behalf of the Democrat’s campaign.

“Law enforcement, firefighters know who Joe Biden is,” Demings said. “They know who he is because he has stood with our public servants in the toughest time in their lives.”

Demings, a former FOP member, pointed out that her former union, and others representing law enforcement and police across the nation have condemned Floyd’s death. Echoing Biden, she said it’s a call for more reform.

The president of Demings’ former union in her home state, Bobby Jenkins, expressed admiration for Demings and her husband, a former sheriff in the Orlando area, but said Biden didn’t know what he was talking about when he called on a ban for weapons of war for police, pointing out that some suspects are now armed with high-powered weaponry.

“If anything, with the way people have weapons now, we need more and not less. We’re not going around looking for people. They’re looking for us,” Jenkins, a Republican said. “Joe Biden was very police-supportive back in the day but not so much lately.”

Jenkins said some police don’t like Trump but said the Obama-Biden administration wasn’t pro-police enough. He said the former president didn’t go to the annual police memorial every year he could, but Trump has. Trump also curried favor with law enforcement by lighting the White House blue to honor police in 2017, which Obama didn’t do the year before. Still, Biden remained well-liked by police.

“Historically, Mr. Biden has always been a friend of law enforcement and that’s why I find his comments a little disheartening,” said Larry Cosme, head of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association.

At the urging of some police groups, Trump also rolled back a series of Obama-era police reforms, written after high-profile race-related killings by police, and earlier this year formed the President’s Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice. It’s composed only of law enforcement and shut out the public, prompting a lawsuit last month from the NAACP.

Under Obama, law enforcement and civilians sat on his Task Force on 21st Century Policing in 2015 but “there was not a good working relationship” between the administration and law enforcement, said David J. Mahoney, the sheriff of Wisconsin’s Dane County and the incoming president of the National Sheriffs’ Association.

Mahoney, a Democrat representing a progressive community, said a number of sheriffs felt “there was a lot of handholding and no action” from the Obama administration and there was a lack of funding relative to what police chiefs received. Mahoney also faulted Trump for downplaying the intent of the Obama task force because it was designed to begin “a dialogue on building trust between law enforcement and communities of color.”

In another battleground state, Florida Sheriffs Association President Bob Gualtieri criticized Biden’s pitch for a national oversight commission for community policing as a “contradiction” that’s emblematic of the candidate’s political posturing.

“We have work to do. Law enforcement recognizes we have work to do,” said Gualtieri, a moderate Republican who represents St. Petersburg’s Pinellas County. “But for Joe Biden or anyone else to start calling for all these ‘reforms’ reminds me of what happened under the Obama administration. It wasn’t productive in its relationship with law enforcement. A national law enforcement commission sounds like a lot of political rhetoric.”
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steve2^4 · Jun 4, 2020

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Asyncritus said: ↑

I see shootER doesn't believe how out-of-touch you can get when you live out of the country long enough.
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The movie is 40 years old and people have been quoting it since before anyone had heard of the internet.
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Maybe he was part of an Amish sect and didn't get out much.

Or he was a hermit living in a cave in the Alps.

14thDoctor · Jun 4, 2020

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Police groups are breaking with Biden

Joe Biden has long prided himself on being a union-friendly Democrat with a good relationship with rank-and-file cops.

But Biden’s call for more national policing reforms and oversight in the wake of the death of George Floyd — and the perception that he hasn’t shown enough solidarity with law enforcement amid the ensuing nationwide protests and unrest — have created a fissure with law enforcement groups, leaving many who once supported him frustrated by what they regard as political posturing by their one-time ally.

"Clearly, he’s made a lot of changes the way candidates do during the primary process, but he kept moving left and fell off the deep end,” said Bill Johnson, executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations, the umbrella organization for Police Benevolent Association chapters.

“For Joe Biden, police are shaking their heads because he used to be a stand-up guy who backed law enforcement,” Johnson said. “But it seems in his old age, for whatever reason, he’s writing a sad final chapter when it comes to supporting law enforcement.”

As the two presidential candidates confront one of the most racially combustible moments in recent history, they are taking decidedly different tacks.

President Donald Trump has issued a full-throated call to restore “law and order” — even threatening military action to beat back violent protests. Biden has tiptoed around the defense of law enforcement, focusing instead on the need for reforms amid deep-seated racial disparities plaguing the nation.

In his first public speech in months, Biden on Tuesday focused on race, highlighted the rights of protesters and offered up police reforms. He made only a passing mention of police officers. The Trump campaign criticized him for failing to mention police killed and wounded amid the unrest.

Though many police tend to lean to the right politically, the criticism from the National Association of Police Organizations is new. NAPO endorsed Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 because of Biden’s presence on the ticket, Johnson said.

But the Obama-Biden reelection in 2012 marked a watershed political year in the relationship between law enforcement and the Democratic Party.

More than eight months before Obama’s reelection, the Black Lives Matter movement began in response to the shooting death of a black Florida teenager, Trayvon Martin, by a self-appointed neighborhood watchman. BLM made police brutality, systemic racism and the 1994 crime bill top issues for progressives in the 2016 and 2020 Democratic presidential primaries.

While under fire from the left, police increasingly became more Republican, said Jim Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police and former in-house lobbyist for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, who worked closely with Biden on the crime bill and other legislation.

“There are two evolutions in two directions. On law-and-order issues, Biden was right of center: the ‘94 crime bill, the Brady law and enhanced penalties. But as time has gone by, his positions have moderated, moderated, moderated to where we are today, where he would not be considered a law-and-order guy in the sense that law enforcement sees it,” Pasco said.

“Also, as time has gone by, the law enforcement community — especially the rank and file — has become far more conservative. Today, the FOP and other labor groups are far less open to addressing gun control issues, things that traditionally they supported and that Biden worked very closely and successfully with them on.”

For instance, Pasco said, law enforcement is less likely to be engaged in supporting gun control, which was once more popular with police. An assault-weapons ban was included in the ’94 crime bill along with other legislation that gave the federal government more power to investigate a “pattern or practice” of local law enforcement abuses.

But the 1994 crime bill also serves as the poster child for the mass-incarceration movement that swept states, and Biden has struggled to win support with progressives and young voters of color as a result. Many want to see more contrition from him over the bill’s role in popularizing mass incarceration, an issue that cropped up again in an interview two weeks ago with a black radio show host, leading Biden to say “you ain’t black” for supporting Trump. Biden later apologized.

Biden’s call Tuesday for more police reform and oversight helped shore up support among progressives, especially those who are young and nonwhite, as evidenced by the endorsement later in the day from former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro — the only Latino and the youngest Democrat to run against Biden for president — endorsed his former rival, citing the proposed reforms.

The Democratic group For Our Future said its research showed police brutality was a top five issue for young voters and voters of color in five of Florida’s seven major Democratic metropolitan strongholds in 2018, and it remains a big concern in urban areas of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Cornell Belcher, a pollster who surveyed African Americans before the midterm elections, found that black voters were about as likely to support protecting Medicare and Social Security as they were to back hate crimes legislation, “holding bad cops accountable” and ending racial profiling. All polled at 80 percent or higher.

“It is a feeling that has been building up for a while,” Belcher said.

Appealing to progressives over police policy is a balancing act for Biden, who has long pitched himself as “Middle Class Joe,” who appeals blue-collar union households. But Harold Schaitberger, head of the International Association of Fire Fighters, said Biden’s Tuesday speech was “pitch perfect” because it reflected how “he more than feels he’s been a lifelong, career-long supporter of law enforcement. I think he knows, hey, ‘I have a history. But this moment is about a moment, and I have to focus on our communities and black and brown communities.’”

In his speech, Biden pledged to establish a national police oversight commission in his first 100 days and called on Congress this month to outlaw the use of chokeholds by police and said: “There are other measures to stop transferring weapons of war to police forces, and improve oversight and accountability to create a model use of force standard.”

“Most cops meet the highest standards of their profession. All the more reason that bad cops should be dealt with severely and swiftly,” Biden said. “We all need to take a hard look at the culture that allows for these senseless tragedies to keep happening.”

The Trump campaign Wednesday drew attention to what was missing in his speech.

“Biden hasn't said a single word on one of the most horrific aspects of the bloodshed: attacks by rioters and looters, sometimes fatal, on police officers in the line of duty protecting innocent Americans,” the Trump campaign said in a Wednesday email that highlighted police deaths and injuries in eight instances nationwide.

Florida Rep. Val Demings, a former Orlando police chief on Biden’s short list to become his running mate, responded on behalf of the Democrat’s campaign.

“Law enforcement, firefighters know who Joe Biden is,” Demings said. “They know who he is because he has stood with our public servants in the toughest time in their lives.”

Demings, a former FOP member, pointed out that her former union, and others representing law enforcement and police across the nation have condemned Floyd’s death. Echoing Biden, she said it’s a call for more reform.

The president of Demings’ former union in her home state, Bobby Jenkins, expressed admiration for Demings and her husband, a former sheriff in the Orlando area, but said Biden didn’t know what he was talking about when he called on a ban for weapons of war for police, pointing out that some suspects are now armed with high-powered weaponry.

“If anything, with the way people have weapons now, we need more and not less. We’re not going around looking for people. They’re looking for us,” Jenkins, a Republican said. “Joe Biden was very police-supportive back in the day but not so much lately.”

Jenkins said some police don’t like Trump but said the Obama-Biden administration wasn’t pro-police enough. He said the former president didn’t go to the annual police memorial every year he could, but Trump has. Trump also curried favor with law enforcement by lighting the White House blue to honor police in 2017, which Obama didn’t do the year before. Still, Biden remained well-liked by police.

“Historically, Mr. Biden has always been a friend of law enforcement and that’s why I find his comments a little disheartening,” said Larry Cosme, head of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association.

At the urging of some police groups, Trump also rolled back a series of Obama-era police reforms, written after high-profile race-related killings by police, and earlier this year formed the President’s Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice. It’s composed only of law enforcement and shut out the public, prompting a lawsuit last month from the NAACP.

Under Obama, law enforcement and civilians sat on his Task Force on 21st Century Policing in 2015 but “there was not a good working relationship” between the administration and law enforcement, said David J. Mahoney, the sheriff of Wisconsin’s Dane County and the incoming president of the National Sheriffs’ Association.

Mahoney, a Democrat representing a progressive community, said a number of sheriffs felt “there was a lot of handholding and no action” from the Obama administration and there was a lack of funding relative to what police chiefs received. Mahoney also faulted Trump for downplaying the intent of the Obama task force because it was designed to begin “a dialogue on building trust between law enforcement and communities of color.”

In another battleground state, Florida Sheriffs Association President Bob Gualtieri criticized Biden’s pitch for a national oversight commission for community policing as a “contradiction” that’s emblematic of the candidate’s political posturing.

“We have work to do. Law enforcement recognizes we have work to do,” said Gualtieri, a moderate Republican who represents St. Petersburg’s Pinellas County. “But for Joe Biden or anyone else to start calling for all these ‘reforms’ reminds me of what happened under the Obama administration. It wasn’t productive in its relationship with law enforcement. A national law enforcement commission sounds like a lot of political rhetoric.”
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Good. The cops have outed themselves as the enemy of the people, I'm glad they're openly siding with Republican fascists. It'll make dealing with them easier.

Asyncritus · Jun 5, 2020

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The movie is 40 years old and people have been quoting it since before anyone had heard of the internet.
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"People". But not "French people."

40 years ago, I was already in France, and had been here for a number of years.

Asyncritus · Jun 5, 2020

steve2^4 said: ↑

Or he was a hermit living in a cave in the Alps.
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You're not far off. I was a caver in the Alps back then. Loved it. Now I'm kind of too old for that stuff...

Asyncritus · Jun 5, 2020

T.R said: ↑

Police groups are breaking with Biden

Joe Biden has long prided himself on being a union-friendly Democrat with a good relationship with rank-and-file cops.

But Biden’s call for more national policing reforms and oversight in the wake of the death of George Floyd — and the perception that he hasn’t shown enough solidarity with law enforcement amid the ensuing nationwide protests and unrest — have created a fissure with law enforcement groups, leaving many who once supported him frustrated by what they regard as political posturing by their one-time ally.

"Clearly, he’s made a lot of changes the way candidates do during the primary process, but he kept moving left and fell off the deep end,” said Bill Johnson, executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations, the umbrella organization for Police Benevolent Association chapters.

“For Joe Biden, police are shaking their heads because he used to be a stand-up guy who backed law enforcement,” Johnson said. “But it seems in his old age, for whatever reason, he’s writing a sad final chapter when it comes to supporting law enforcement.”

As the two presidential candidates confront one of the most racially combustible moments in recent history, they are taking decidedly different tacks.

President Donald Trump has issued a full-throated call to restore “law and order” — even threatening military action to beat back violent protests. Biden has tiptoed around the defense of law enforcement, focusing instead on the need for reforms amid deep-seated racial disparities plaguing the nation.

In his first public speech in months, Biden on Tuesday focused on race, highlighted the rights of protesters and offered up police reforms. He made only a passing mention of police officers. The Trump campaign criticized him for failing to mention police killed and wounded amid the unrest.

Though many police tend to lean to the right politically, the criticism from the National Association of Police Organizations is new. NAPO endorsed Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 because of Biden’s presence on the ticket, Johnson said.

But the Obama-Biden reelection in 2012 marked a watershed political year in the relationship between law enforcement and the Democratic Party.

More than eight months before Obama’s reelection, the Black Lives Matter movement began in response to the shooting death of a black Florida teenager, Trayvon Martin, by a self-appointed neighborhood watchman. BLM made police brutality, systemic racism and the 1994 crime bill top issues for progressives in the 2016 and 2020 Democratic presidential primaries.

While under fire from the left, police increasingly became more Republican, said Jim Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police and former in-house lobbyist for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, who worked closely with Biden on the crime bill and other legislation.

“There are two evolutions in two directions. On law-and-order issues, Biden was right of center: the ‘94 crime bill, the Brady law and enhanced penalties. But as time has gone by, his positions have moderated, moderated, moderated to where we are today, where he would not be considered a law-and-order guy in the sense that law enforcement sees it,” Pasco said.

“Also, as time has gone by, the law enforcement community — especially the rank and file — has become far more conservative. Today, the FOP and other labor groups are far less open to addressing gun control issues, things that traditionally they supported and that Biden worked very closely and successfully with them on.”

For instance, Pasco said, law enforcement is less likely to be engaged in supporting gun control, which was once more popular with police. An assault-weapons ban was included in the ’94 crime bill along with other legislation that gave the federal government more power to investigate a “pattern or practice” of local law enforcement abuses.

But the 1994 crime bill also serves as the poster child for the mass-incarceration movement that swept states, and Biden has struggled to win support with progressives and young voters of color as a result. Many want to see more contrition from him over the bill’s role in popularizing mass incarceration, an issue that cropped up again in an interview two weeks ago with a black radio show host, leading Biden to say “you ain’t black” for supporting Trump. Biden later apologized.

Biden’s call Tuesday for more police reform and oversight helped shore up support among progressives, especially those who are young and nonwhite, as evidenced by the endorsement later in the day from former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro — the only Latino and the youngest Democrat to run against Biden for president — endorsed his former rival, citing the proposed reforms.

The Democratic group For Our Future said its research showed police brutality was a top five issue for young voters and voters of color in five of Florida’s seven major Democratic metropolitan strongholds in 2018, and it remains a big concern in urban areas of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Cornell Belcher, a pollster who surveyed African Americans before the midterm elections, found that black voters were about as likely to support protecting Medicare and Social Security as they were to back hate crimes legislation, “holding bad cops accountable” and ending racial profiling. All polled at 80 percent or higher.

“It is a feeling that has been building up for a while,” Belcher said.

Appealing to progressives over police policy is a balancing act for Biden, who has long pitched himself as “Middle Class Joe,” who appeals blue-collar union households. But Harold Schaitberger, head of the International Association of Fire Fighters, said Biden’s Tuesday speech was “pitch perfect” because it reflected how “he more than feels he’s been a lifelong, career-long supporter of law enforcement. I think he knows, hey, ‘I have a history. But this moment is about a moment, and I have to focus on our communities and black and brown communities.’”

In his speech, Biden pledged to establish a national police oversight commission in his first 100 days and called on Congress this month to outlaw the use of chokeholds by police and said: “There are other measures to stop transferring weapons of war to police forces, and improve oversight and accountability to create a model use of force standard.”

“Most cops meet the highest standards of their profession. All the more reason that bad cops should be dealt with severely and swiftly,” Biden said. “We all need to take a hard look at the culture that allows for these senseless tragedies to keep happening.”

The Trump campaign Wednesday drew attention to what was missing in his speech.

“Biden hasn't said a single word on one of the most horrific aspects of the bloodshed: attacks by rioters and looters, sometimes fatal, on police officers in the line of duty protecting innocent Americans,” the Trump campaign said in a Wednesday email that highlighted police deaths and injuries in eight instances nationwide.

Florida Rep. Val Demings, a former Orlando police chief on Biden’s short list to become his running mate, responded on behalf of the Democrat’s campaign.

“Law enforcement, firefighters know who Joe Biden is,” Demings said. “They know who he is because he has stood with our public servants in the toughest time in their lives.”

Demings, a former FOP member, pointed out that her former union, and others representing law enforcement and police across the nation have condemned Floyd’s death. Echoing Biden, she said it’s a call for more reform.

The president of Demings’ former union in her home state, Bobby Jenkins, expressed admiration for Demings and her husband, a former sheriff in the Orlando area, but said Biden didn’t know what he was talking about when he called on a ban for weapons of war for police, pointing out that some suspects are now armed with high-powered weaponry.

“If anything, with the way people have weapons now, we need more and not less. We’re not going around looking for people. They’re looking for us,” Jenkins, a Republican said. “Joe Biden was very police-supportive back in the day but not so much lately.”

Jenkins said some police don’t like Trump but said the Obama-Biden administration wasn’t pro-police enough. He said the former president didn’t go to the annual police memorial every year he could, but Trump has. Trump also curried favor with law enforcement by lighting the White House blue to honor police in 2017, which Obama didn’t do the year before. Still, Biden remained well-liked by police.

“Historically, Mr. Biden has always been a friend of law enforcement and that’s why I find his comments a little disheartening,” said Larry Cosme, head of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association.

At the urging of some police groups, Trump also rolled back a series of Obama-era police reforms, written after high-profile race-related killings by police, and earlier this year formed the President’s Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice. It’s composed only of law enforcement and shut out the public, prompting a lawsuit last month from the NAACP.

Under Obama, law enforcement and civilians sat on his Task Force on 21st Century Policing in 2015 but “there was not a good working relationship” between the administration and law enforcement, said David J. Mahoney, the sheriff of Wisconsin’s Dane County and the incoming president of the National Sheriffs’ Association.

Mahoney, a Democrat representing a progressive community, said a number of sheriffs felt “there was a lot of handholding and no action” from the Obama administration and there was a lack of funding relative to what police chiefs received. Mahoney also faulted Trump for downplaying the intent of the Obama task force because it was designed to begin “a dialogue on building trust between law enforcement and communities of color.”

In another battleground state, Florida Sheriffs Association President Bob Gualtieri criticized Biden’s pitch for a national oversight commission for community policing as a “contradiction” that’s emblematic of the candidate’s political posturing.

“We have work to do. Law enforcement recognizes we have work to do,” said Gualtieri, a moderate Republican who represents St. Petersburg’s Pinellas County. “But for Joe Biden or anyone else to start calling for all these ‘reforms’ reminds me of what happened under the Obama administration. It wasn’t productive in its relationship with law enforcement. A national law enforcement commission sounds like a lot of political rhetoric.”
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Good. If police unions are not in favour of Biden, that is another point in Biden's favour.

T.R · Jun 5, 2020

Staffers lash out in Bernie world meltdown

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/06/03/staffers-lash-out-in-bernie-world-meltdown-299545

Lanzman · Jun 5, 2020

Asyncritus said: ↑

steve2^4 said: ↑

Or he was a hermit living in a cave in the Alps.
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You're not far off. I was a caver in the Alps back then. Loved it.
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OH MY GOD!!! Async is one of the lizard people!!!

oldfella1962 · Jun 5, 2020

Mrs. Albert said: ↑

oldfella1962 said: ↑

Wait - does his cholesterol lowering medications affect his BP and HR?
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Unlikely. You may see a slight drop in BP as the statin works to reduce cholesterol and give some relief on the pressure in the vessels, but it’s not going to be significant because statins work a lot better at preventing new plaque buildup than dissolving the old.
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THANK YOU! Finally an informed science based answer besides "Trump lies!"

oldfella1962 · Jun 5, 2020

steve2^4 said: ↑

An ammonia/bleach mixture would be most effective. (don't try this at home.)
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duly noted! Way back in the day we had two soldiers get sent to the hospital because they were cleaning barracks shower areas and were using all manner of cleaning products at the same time.

Amaris · Jun 5, 2020

Asyncritus said: ↑

steve2^4 said: ↑

Or he was a hermit living in a cave in the Alps.
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You're not far off. I was a caver in the Alps back then. Loved it. Now I'm kind of too old for that stuff...
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For some reason, I read that as "I was a cadaver in the Alps back then," and was thoroughly confused as to just how old you are.

Asyncritus · Jun 5, 2020

Amaris said: ↑

Asyncritus said: ↑

You're not far off. I was a caver in the Alps back then. Loved it. Now I'm kind of too old for that stuff...
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For some reason, I read that as "I was a cadaver in the Alps back then," and was thoroughly confused as to just how old you are.
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Let's just say that I can remember when the Earth was still flat...

Jenee · Jun 5, 2020

oldfella1962 said: ↑

Mrs. Albert said: ↑

oldfella1962 said: ↑

Wait - does his cholesterol lowering medications affect his BP and HR?
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Unlikely. You may see a slight drop in BP as the statin works to reduce cholesterol and give some relief on the pressure in the vessels, but it’s not going to be significant because statins work a lot better at preventing new plaque buildup than dissolving the old.
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THANK YOU! Finally an informed science based answer besides "Trump lies!"
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Just because you didn't hear it, doesn't mean it hasn't been said.

AlphaMan · Jun 5, 2020

Excuse me.

Got a little something in my eye there....

steve2^4 · Jun 5, 2020

he touched that poor child without permission.

Tererune · Jun 5, 2020

AlphaMan said: ↑

Excuse me.

Got a little something in my eye there....
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Joe just felt up that little boy's nipples.

[joke]

TheLonelySquire · Jun 5, 2020

steve2^4 said: ↑

he touched that poor child without permission.
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No...he just called him and the other innocent black children "roaches".

Zombie · Jun 5, 2020

Rebound!!!

Democrats are upset of course.

TheLonelySquire · Jun 5, 2020

Zombie said: ↑

Rebound!!!

Democrats are upset of course.
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And Phyllis George is looking down proudly!

TheLonelySquire · Jun 5, 2020

TheLonelySquire said: ↑

Zombie said: ↑

Rebound!!!

Democrats are upset of course.
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And Phyllis George is looking down proudly!
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Or...Boy George

Tererune · Jun 5, 2020

Zombie said: ↑

Rebound!!!

Democrats are upset of course.
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No shit really? I thought people were never going to work again because unemployment? That was what your side was claiming. The rest of us figured people would go back to work when this passed. Okm the rest of us who are not chicken littles claiming we would have to stay inside our homes forever. I will admit there were a few crying wussbags on the left.

It is nice to see that we can pay unemployment to cover things if the workforce is temporarily laid off for a time to cover a pandemic. Seems that was working as intended, and this is what everyone with a fucking brain expected to happen.

shootER · Jun 5, 2020

Tererune · Jun 5, 2020

He does do amazing things. Most of them failures. To fail big as a president you have to be a president. To have a huge blowout defeat as an incumbent you have to be president first.

It goes along the lines that to bankrupt yourself in three casinos you first have to be one of the elite people who get to own three casinos. In order to lose on epic scale you first have to be epic.

Tuckerfan · Jun 5, 2020

But as we found out, the national polls (which is all that article seems to cite) don't matter when compared to state-by-state polling. If you look at the numbers Five Thirty Eight has, you'll notice that only three Presidents have polled lower than Trump is right now. They are: George HW Bush, Jimmy Carter, and Harry Truman. It is premature to say that he has no chance of winning re-election. Oh, and once again, those are national numbers.

T.R · Jun 5, 2020

It's finally official...

Biden clinches Democratic presidential nomination with latest delegate haul

Joe Biden is now the Democratic presidential nominee, after reaching the threshold of 1,991 pledged delegates needed to clinch his party’s nomination.

Biden now has 1,993 delegates, according to The Associated Press. There are still contests to come in eight states and three U.S. territories.

The former vice president became the Democratic Party’s presumptive nominee in April, after his last remaining rival for the nomination – Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont – suspended his campaign and backed Biden.

But Sanders has kept his name on the ballots as he continues to capture delegates in order to have influence in the voting on the party’s platform at the summer nominating convention. With Sanders winning a small percentage of delegates, and with many states that were scheduled to hold primaries and caucuses in April and May pushing back their contests until June or even later due to health concerns over the coronavirus pandemic, Biden’s timetable to clinch the nomination was delayed.

In April, after the former vice president became the party’s presumptive nominee, the Biden campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) hammered out a deal to begin joint fundraising and other partnerships. So Biden’s clinching of the nomination is more of a formality and doesn’t really alter his relationship with the national party.

“Vice President Biden is our presumptive nominee and we are already coordinating across all areas with his campaign to prepare for the general election,” DNC director of battleground state communications David Bergstein told Fox News.

Biden will formally become the party’s standard-bearer when he’s officially nominated in August at the Democratic National Convention.

Four years ago Hillary Clinton also clinched the Democratic presidential nomination in early June. The former first lady, senator from New York, and secretary of state went over the top on June 6, thanks to a combination of pledged and superdelegates. Sanders – who battled Clinton for the nomination in a bitter and divisive primary process – didn’t endorse his party’s nominee until a month later, at a rally in New Hampshire.

In reforms made by the Democratic Party as a result of the friction in the 2016 primaries, superdelegates – party officials and Democratic governors, senators, and House members – were stripped of their ability to back a presidential candidate in the first round of convention balloting.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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T.R · Jun 5, 2020

The Night Funky said: ↑

But as we found out, the national polls (which is all that article seems to cite) don't matter when compared to state-by-state polling. If you look at the numbers Five Thirty Eight has, you'll notice that only three Presidents have polled lower than Trump is right now. They are: George HW Bush, Jimmy Carter, and Harry Truman. It is premature to say that he has no chance of winning re-election. Oh, and once again, those are national numbers.
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Yep. National polls don't mean jack squat in a presidential election. I don't know why people even bother with them. Right now the polls to keep an eye on are in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona. That's where the election is going to be won.

tafkats · Jun 6, 2020

T.R said: ↑

Staffers lash out in Bernie world meltdown

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/06/03/staffers-lash-out-in-bernie-world-meltdown-299545
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Sirota's a world-class twit. And seriously, any campaign strategist who thought "let's try to win with 30% of the voters and just cross our fingers that the field stays crowded" was a good strategy, should probably find a new line of work.

steve2^4 · Jun 6, 2020

T.R said: ↑

The Night Funky said: ↑

But as we found out, the national polls (which is all that article seems to cite) don't matter when compared to state-by-state polling. If you look at the numbers Five Thirty Eight has, you'll notice that only three Presidents have polled lower than Trump is right now. They are: George HW Bush, Jimmy Carter, and Harry Truman. It is premature to say that he has no chance of winning re-election. Oh, and once again, those are national numbers.
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Yep. National polls don't mean jack squat in a presidential election. I don't know why people even bother with them. Right now the polls to keep an eye on are in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona. That's where the election is going to be won.
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Yay GA!

I shall personally nullify OF's vote.

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