Sandbagger One was one of my regenerations followed by Callan and finally Harry Palmer. I like to think that I've always been my own distinct brand of cuntwaffle. Still not ginger though.
Your analogy is flawed. The Confederate States of America were never recognized by anyone (except themselves) as an independent nation. Yes, they fought for independence. But they lost. Ergo, those who fought for them are traitors to the United States of America.
Show your work. Bear in mind that my first argument is the one which was settled on 150 years or so ago.
That addresses one and not the other. Again a dispute between family is what the participants in said dispute settled on. You know better than them?
I've forgotten how literal minded people are on these places. Either it was a dispute between citizens of the same nation state or it was between separate nation states.
It was neither. It was a rebellion (i.e. traitors) and they got their butts kicked. They do not deserve the honor that has been bestowed upon them. Heck, even Robert E Lee said as much both before and after the war.
March 4, 1865 Fellow-Countrymen: At this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured. On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came. One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. “Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh.” If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman’s two hundred and fiftyyears of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.” With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.
Yup. I remember you from TBBS. Calm, level-headed, able to argue your POV (even if it's wrong-headed ) without pitching a hissy, and literate. None of which could in any way have been applied to K1A. Two different people.
I'm a Medieval lord's banquet baby. And I was roundly despised for very those reasons. Ha! I could get heat just for posting about the weather. Well later taters.
Note that he didn't say, "Either change the flag or we're out of there." He said, "Keep the flag and we'll at least pretend to think about the issue before letting you continue to participate."
Faulty premise, all your argument seems to rely on saying that citizens of a country can't be enemies of that country.
Yeah, but that's how you need to deal with hardcore bigots or they'll show up at your house carrying, or threaten your wife at the supermarket.
The only sport that matters in MS is american football. Maybe some golf or nascar, but those certainly are not sports to the rest of us.
