Yeah, let's just focus on one episode. Never mind all the other times Kirk and crew fucked up the timeline. Have you not realized by now that Trek canon is wildly inconsistent, and it's best just to enjoy the ride?
Kirk and crew were prepared to kidnap a 20th century guy after after destroying his jet with a tractor beam, and only changed their minds after they discovered he hadn't yet fathered a child that was important to history. Never mind what the Americans would have thought if an unidentified craft destroyed one of their jets with an unknown weapon and made their pilot disappear without a trace. So cautious.
Yet 90s Trek made an effort to keep things as consistent as possible, but now no effort should be made because fuck ups in the past.
Beaming in front of people used to be an issue in the 1960s when we trusted in the intelligence of folks. Beaming in 2022 (OK 2024 in the show)? Fake news. You can tell from the pixels. Liberal propaganda. Cool FX dude, I'd back you to work for Sony ahead of the crap CGI they put out in that Morbius flick.
Sure they did. Like when Klingons lived on the planet Kling, or when the Borg only cared about assimilating technology and not individuals, or when the Trill didn't have spots, or when Picard referred to his Cardassian counterpart as Captain Gul Macet, or when an EMH is difficult to create but Geordi can create a sentient Moriarty with a slip of the tongue, or when the Vorta had telepathic powers for one episode, or when the Ferengi switched from Reavers into Jewish stereotypes? It's like you know nothing about Star Trek.
You’re cherry-picking a hand full of examples, I’m talking about overall continuity from TNG, DS9 and VOY.These people can’t even maintain continuity within their own episode, much less the past 50 years of Star Trek.
Remember when the anomaly in All Good Things, which the entire plot revolved around, wasn't even consistent within the episode? Remember when we learned the big difference between Data and Lore was that Data can't use contractions, and then the episode ends with Data saying "I'm fine?" Maybe actually watch some Star Trek before you make stuff up.
Again, past mistakes doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try to stay consistent in the new shows. Bad writing in the past doesn’t excuse bad writing today. Maybe stop trying to change the subject and stick to things I pointed out in the last episode.
Here’s a better idea. Stop watching the show. Go outside. Play video games. Do whatever, but don’t continue watching a show you don’t like.
What's your actual complaint? That a crew stranded in the past started out trying to interfere with the timeline as little as possible, but things immediately went off the rails and a whole bunch of big and little things got changed as the situation became more desperate? That's the basic plot of almost every Trek time travel adventure ever. You're just whining about it now because you think criticizing modern Trek makes you cool.
I never said I didn’t like the show. In fact, I’ve said that I liked so far, I’m just pointing out things that don’t make sense. I thought this was a discussion board, I’m discussing things.
Name an episode of Star Trek where they went back in time and didn’t try to protect the timeline as much as possible and yet still made multiple mistakes along the way.
Is it a discussion? Or are you arguing? Discussion: This is what is generally known as ‘artistic license’. Yes, the original story/plot line said “this”, but in order to tell ‘this’ story, now we need to alter the parameters slightly. I realize kids today are used to more linear stories. But, back in the day, there were no rules. I mean, they would just switch up actors without any explanation whatsoever. You just had to accept that from this point forward, this is the way it is. Yes, the show does need, in my opinion, to tie up some ends (I mentioned them earlier in this thread). I think everyone participating in this thread agrees. Most of us have made similar comments. I guess, as with other posters in this thread, I took your posts as demanding us to answer for the writers, which we can’t.
Listening to all those angry-voiced Youtube jerks has gotten him thinking this is a war. Under that mindset, people who disagree with him need to surrender. Shoot him in the belly with a cannon full of chains. That'll calm him down.
exactly... name an episode of Trek where they haven't made multiple mistakes remaining attempting to remain consistent to some minutiae from within the past 60 years.
the beauty is that he's fighting both sides here. 60 years of conflicting canon, and it's okay. Try to sort through it and go with the version that fits the modern story and it's proof the writers know nothing.
In the CW "Naomi" show there's a literal battle between Superman and Mongul in the first episode and the consensus ended up being "they were making a movie" or some shit and there was no society wide "oh shit, Superman is real!" moment.
It's a pity the first episode was so good. Just get those hopes up why don't you? Heh - ah well, should know better by now. Oh mystery mystery ... want a resolution? Tune in next week and don't find out, but don't worry - we have another mystery! It'll all work out in the final couple of episodes -- promise! I don't need anymore Patrick Stewart in Space (or dicking around in present day Los Angeles for the better part of S2) - I think filming S2 and 3 was the smart move. Honestly, I think Shatner would bring more gravitas and energy to Kirk @ 91 than Stewart does to Picard.
Patrick Stewart is 81 years old. His age is definitely showing (this Picard is a shadow of the one who captained the U.S.S. Enterprise) but it still doesn't mean the show doesn't have something to offer.
Such as a Russian guy was captured on a nuclear navy vessel who wasn’t supposed to be, fell and had mortal injuries, then disappeared from the hospital. Yea, that wouldn’t have made the papers.
Sure glad they didn't do anything else like regenerating a ladies organ in what could only be explained as a miracle, making a researcher disappear, introducing new high tech materials potentially decades or centuries early with a shrug and flying an alien spaceship in front of a boat full of witnesses.
The Tricorder emitted the same energy as used on Starships. We know from Canon sources (see TOS, TNG, VOY, DS9, ENT, Disco for ref) that this energy, while useful, tends to emit explosively from controls of vehicles. The EMP pulse thus created a micro emission on the controls of the bus, knocking out the driver.
A strange, unrealistic disease on a sci-fi show? What will they think of next? There's no particular reason to think that La Sirena is capable in its current state of sending a message to the Delta Quadrant. There is every reason to think that the Borg Queen was defanged enough by the Confederation that she could not assimilate anyone through the traditional means of nanoprobes. This Queen has undergone trauma that no other queen has gone through (r, has likely been disproportionately influenced by Jurati's particular mind, and does not have the benefit of the wisdom of billions of beings to be more stable. We haven't seen Q do anything that can in and of itself qualifies as evil, or at least, more "evil" than his usual amoral behavior. Feeding Renee Picard's doubts about being ready for space flight and forcing Soong to do his bidding IMO aren't any more evil than any number of things he did or failed to do in TNG etc.
not even an unrealistic ailment... Solar Urticaria there's also an aquatic variant. Q always came across as a mythological Loki type more than a devil. Feeding RP's self doubt or manipulation of a mortal isn't outside of his methods either. Notable in the stories is that he's often the key to fixing the problems he creates...
