Star Trek: Picard.

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  1. Ten Lubak

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    You’re an idiot with incredibly poor taste?
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  2. We Are Borg

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    Oh, come on you facepalmers. That was pretty funny.
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    It is if you're an idiot with incredibly poor taste.
  4. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    I'm surprised that fans might see TNG's writing for women as problematic but not TOS, or for that matter, ENT. (One could take issue with various aspects of DS9 and VOY's writing for women too, but at least they had kick-ass characters who happened to be women who were not soft-pedaled).
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    Also apparently there have been a couple of times throughout Picard when a VFX put a California class into background shots and got told to remove it.
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  6. Shirogayne

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    To be entirely fair, these same people drag those shows too, but given these young millennials and Gen Z kiddos have likely grown up with their parents holding TNG up on a pedestal, they have even less patience for that series.

    ENT to it's credit did give T'Pol a spine to speak up when Archer was being stupid. And he very often was.

    :shrug: I was 15 and after day 15 of unending 9/11 coverage I needed something new to watch.

    It sits in my bottom three Trek shows between VOY and PIC these days, but I never would've found "good" Trek without it, so... :clyde:
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  7. Bailey

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    Never understand people who try to persuade others they are wrong to like a particular series of Trek. A lot of it comes down to personal taste, and there's so damn much of it that you don't have to love it all to still have plenty.
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  8. Diacanu

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    It started right with TNG.
    The boomers are in their "trying to get into Heaven" phase, so they've taken amnesia pills for how nasty they got towards TNG.
    Gen-X started in with DS9.
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  9. Shirogayne

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    Especially these days when each new series varies so widely in tone from the others. I could sorta get the frustration in hindsight about how VOY and ENT were written when those were the only show on the air once DS9 left but today? People have to PAY to hate watch and that's way more pathetic than old school bashing.

    The way people actually got mad over a bald captain is still funny to me :lol:
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    I think they're deeply afraid that - if more people love stuff THEY don't like, more of that stuff will get made and less of their preference.

    So they have to convert people.

    It's like the GOP war on LBGTQ+ and race rights writ small. If they stop making "woke" Trek, look for the next move to be women not being able to be captains and a return to casually supported racism against non-human officers.
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  11. Diacanu

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    If the fashies ever CHUD up Trek, we'll just get it back from them, and say their shit was Mirror Universe.
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  12. Ten Lubak

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    I agree

    Except when it comes to Enterprise
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    Sounds about right.
    Dayton was one idiot who said the quiet part outloud about wanting to shit over ENT fans for that purpose, but the sentiment that we were enabling Bermaga to make bad shows for the lowest common denominator was shared by many in the 2000s.

    I'll give the old school bashers credit for this much: a good portion of them criticized ENT for not being liberal enough for their liking. :shrug:
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    So you must have found it funny.
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    Absolutely, although we can all agree that Enterprise should be expunged from the record. :yes:
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    Boy it sounds pretty terrible.
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    "Do you even hear yourself?" :rotfl:
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    Trash, with enough decent moments to remind you how this whole 'enterprise' that was ST: Picard could have been so much more in the right hands.

    Final head canon:

    TOS - Everything.
    TNG - Encounter at Farpoint - ST: First Contact
    DS9 - Everything.
    Voyager - S1 - end of S4. Fate forever unknown.
    Enterprise - Coin toss. I'll be generous - all in!

    And that, my friends, was the incredible story of the Star Trek Franchise, which graciously bowed out in 2005. What a run though - 40 years! Phew.

    There was talk of rebooting the franchise in the late 2000's, but Leonard Nimoy reprimanded the King of Paramount and convinced him never to entertain such foolish notions again.

    Even now - 20 years later - the occasional fan ponders what if? But most fans agree that Trek narrowly avoided a descent into shit town given the prevalence of half-baked memberberry crap currently clogging up our airwaves.

    A toast to Star Trek. In memory, still bright.
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  24. Diacanu

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    There, Nemesis is fixed, we're back to the happy were we were at with "All Good Things..." and Legacy is teed up.
    Season 1 should have been this, and it should have been a movie.
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    So basically, Star Trek tells us that no one really dies.

    Picard died, now an android.
    Sock died, gets reborn.
    Data dies several times, doesn't stay dead.
    Q dies, not really.
    Kirk died, could be brought back.
    Elnor died, Q snap.
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    Hell, Kirk told you THAT in the second movie.

    Which was metaphorical before the THIRD movie.

    Trek is following the DC/Marvel model when it comes to perma-death.

    Unless your name's Ben, you come back eventually.
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    Who else wanted Data to finish his limerick?
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    I didn’t get all choked up seeing the Enterprise or the TNG crew around the conference table or even on the bridge of the 1701D. But, I totally lost it seeing Geordi, Data, and Worf sitting in those chairs.
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    Two details that stood out for, I'm sure there's more, but these two caught my attention when I saw them.

    At the start of the episode, during Anton Chekov's warning, the intro to TNG was used, the blue nebula effect with the stars(?) in it.

    When the Enterprise-D was at warp, the streak effect was used, instead of the wormhole/tunnel effect.

    And on a side note, Walter Koenig playing Anton Chekhov as his son was a great touch.
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    Bringing the Borg back was cringy especially when they already roped us in with the changlings, but still it was a pretty good episode. I’m glad to see Luke was able to blow up the Death Star in time. The second half of the episode really tugged at the heart strings and Seven got redeemed. So there it is, the second All Good Things ending and of course Q never really died. I still don’t understand Jurati became the Borg Queen yet the old Queen survived. I guess there’s more than one Queen. No Janeway and no Sisko. Nice touch with Anton Chekhov. It’s a nice way to honor both Chekhov actors.