Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

Remember when Princess Leia ruined "A New Hope" by going "get in the garbage chute, flyboy!!" to Han?
The franchise died right there.
No sequels were ever made, and George Lucas lived in a van down by the river.

The scene where Indy is shot and taken on the plane and she hops on a motorcycle and chases after them. That should have been him. That was a classic Indiana Jones thing and they gave it to her. The car chase scene where she jumps on the back of the car and breaks the window open. That mimics the tank chase in Crusade. That's another classic Indy moment and they gave it to her. How do you not see this? Every time they mimic a scene from the previous movies it's her doing it. She took over for the last act of the movie, FFS.

Remember when I didn't say that?

You realize Harrison Ford is an 80 year old actor playing a 70 year old character?

That is why they gave us the 20 minute flashback at the beginning of the movie, to show Indiana Jones in his prime.

He is still got quite a bit to do in the rest of the movie including the underwater dive, riding the horse, etc.

One can question whether we even needed a movie about a geriatric Indiana Jones… but this is the movie we got and in the context of the movie it makes sense to do some ‘passing of the torch’ moments to a younger co-lead, whether male or female.

I am not seeing the problem. Of course whether anyone asked for or wanted this movie is another issue entirely. I was mostly happy with the original trilogy and we could have left it at that but this was okay for what it was.

I didn't say she overshadowed him the whole entire movie, I said there were three specific scenes where she clearly did, the car chase, the motorcycle chase and knocking him out at the end. That triggered the leftists of the board into calling me sexist. People who presumably haven't even seen the movie.

My friend pointed out that he's been punched by some of the biggest, toughest bad guys in film and she knocked him out with one punch? Come on. I understand that Ford is old and the opening sequence (which didn't even have a whip swing I might add) is about the best action piece you're going to get with him, so write around it, do something different. This story didn't have to down like this, he already had done "Logan", it was great. Ford doesn't want Indy to die, fine, he doesn't die. It clearly isn't doing well at the box office, so I can't be the only one who feels this way.

Please use spoiler tags. Some of us would like to see the movie without having to be convinced.

Do you? Because he was 79 when he filmed this movie. How old do you think Indy was supposed to be? Do you know what the average life expectancy for an American male was in 1969? Aren't you the guy that complains about "realism" whenever a female hero beats up a nameless henchman bigger than her? You can't have it both ways.

You realize that entire post pretty much comes off as "some of my best friends are black!"

Learn to quit while you're behind.

1. Rey is not the greatest at everything. She is just pretty good at everything, which makes sense because she is descended from one of the strongest force users ever in Palpatine. She needs training from both Luke and Leia to get better. Yes, Luke is a sad old man to some extent, but that has nothing to do with Rey. It has to do with his failure to keep his nephew from turning to the Dark Side, his nephew's slaughter of his students and his doubt in his place in the Force. It is Yoda who steers him back and gets his head on straight, not Rey. But this doesn't seem to bother you. Rey isn't better at flying than Han was in his prime, and we aren't really shown that she is better than Han or Chewie even in their old age.

2. Various people put down Picard at various points in "Picard," including but not limited to: Riker, Shaw, Q, Rios, and Jack Crusher. Don't hear any complaints about those people...wonder why? Anyway, Picard as a sad old man is still every bit a hero and a force for good despite getting sassed by a black lady a couple of times.

3. Helena is not "the best at everything," or at least is not shown to be. She's shown to be pretty good at some stuff...she manages to be comfortable deciphering Archimedes' code and tricking Indy in giving her his half of the dial. But it's Indy who manages to outfight, outrun and outthink the bad guys for the most part. There really anything that she is shown to do that is unrealistically good or better than what Indy did/does. (And I should say, even if there were, so what? Where does it say that a male hero has to be better in all phases of the game than a woman?)

4. It appears from Strange New Worlds that Ortegas was right to question Spock's order on several grounds, none of which has to do with his gender or hers: a. flying into the debris is a dangerous proposition even in the best of circumstances b. the hypothesis that the debris would potentially offer shielding from the forget-me-now radiation could (and did) prove incorrect. c. if people forget key skills while in the debris field, it could easily be lights out. As someone already pointed out, Janeway (and all captains) do tolerate some amount of pushback from their officers. Presumably, Uhura is as a cadet a higher rank than the non-commissioned IT guys. And you are of course cherrypicking things and ignoring the various examples where women are shown to be wrong, flawed, etc. and men are shown to be correct.

Except Rey did overshadow everyone. Yeah, she was descended from Palpy who was strong in the Force, but Anakin was made by the Force and took his lumps. Failed to save his mother on Tatooine, lost an arm on Geonosis, lost everything on Mustafar, and it is only at the end that he is redeemed and all it took was 25 years of physical and mental torment. Luke was descended from him and took his lumps too. Failed to save his aunt and uncle, failed to save Han on Bespin, failed at the cave on Dagobah, lost a hand on Bespin, but he went right when his father went left so he avoided the decades in a walking iron lung like his old man. She beats Darth Emo in TFA despite barely knowing how to use a lightsaber and how to mind trick that stormtrooper because she just knows how. (Note; I'm ignoring the whole losing their mentor of Qui Gon/Obi Wan/Han part because that's a part of the Hero's Journey. So is being maimed at some point, something that Rey avoids by the way.) At best Rey loses Ankin/Luke's lightsaber. Han doesn't know what's wrong with the Falcon in TFA, but Rey does. Luke had to be taught by Yoda so much about the nature of the Force and how to use it on Dagobah, but Rey just instinctively knows all that stuff on Luke's island. She even manages to best Luke in a duel on the island. The only one she never really got the best of was Leia and that's because they didn't really interact all that much in the first place. Rey just shows up, is great at everything, and everything turns out just fine. Anakin and Luke could have just stayed home for all the good their entire stories did since Palpy shows up again (despite Anakin's entire point for existing was to end the Sith once and for all). As a character, she's basically a walking, talking cheat code.

That's because the last time we ever see Picard is when he's playing poker with the rest of the regulars at the end of All Good Things. None of the movies happen and that godawful Picard series never happened either.

Perhaps you saw a different version of the movies than I did, but Rey got killed by Palpatine Clone and needed Kylo to bring her back. She was getting whipped by Snoke and needed Kylo to survive that fight. She definitely took her lumps. And she's no more a cheat code than Luke was.

Snoke outright says in TLJ that he mentally connected Rey and Ben, and in TFA Ben reached into Rey's mind not realizing she was also strong in the force. If you watch the movies again aware of that connection, it's pretty clear Rey is picking up her force abilities and skills through her link with Ben. You see that unconscious learning finally going both ways at the end of TROS when Ben uses force healing on Rey after she used it on him.

Are we also going to bitch about Jack Nicholson’s Joker overshadowing everyone?

Yeah, Spock totally fucked up there. Moving further away from the planet entirely should have been a no brainer.

It also occurred to me that they're quietly building something up between Spock and Ortegas. In the alt-future of A Quality of Mercy, she was the bridge officer that acted shitty and racist towards Spock instead of Stiles. In AAPA she was talking shit about Spock to M'Benga when she thought he was getting along with Admiral Pasalk.

Didn't Ortegas say she has lirpa scars from getting mixed up in a Vulcan relationship?

I’ll stir fry you in my wok.

Fucking big wok.

When Rey is so utterly defeated as him. BY A MAN.

Ben put her to sleep without a fucking fight the first time she went up against him. She beat him later after he'd been gutshot with a Wookiee-portable heavy weapon and was in emotional turmoil over killing his dad.

Palaptine fucking killed her.
She was even surrounded by shattered rock like Joker.
Do you even watch these fucking movies, or do you just have Youtube storytell it to you with slides?

Was she dead and defeated, or triumphant in the end?

Yeah, I fucking watched it. The Joker got no reset button.

Yeah he did.
It was called Heath Ledger.

1:44 but the rest is fun too.

ffs-the technicians were Pelia's cadets. Uhura outranked them-she might even have known a couple of'em.
It also strikes me that her reason for not immediately jumping to her subordinates condescending attitude was that she had a duty to secure her post before giving it over-something that cadet should have understood. Or is it because he's a white man and should be obeyed?
Why does Ortegas questioning Spock's order have to be rooted in your gender war when it could've just been batshit insane in her professional opinion? Or can you not accept the notion that a woman who is a specialist in her field might have better instincts about it than a man who understands the basics of it? Again, if nothing else it is her duty to give feedback if the ordered manoeuvre could put the ship at unnecessary risk.

nothing to do with you being triggered by those three scenes though? it's all "the leftists" fault for calling you on it...

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