Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

War on Gaza: Israeli forces round up stripped Palestinian men and children at stadium
Video recorded by Israeli journalist shows men, children and elderly Palestinians with their hands tied behind their backs at a stadium in the war-ravaged territory

Sources: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...-round-strip-dozens-palestinians-gaza-stadium
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...ions-in-gaza-to-icc-un-calling-them-genocide/

Euro-Med Monitor sends UN rapporteurs, ICC Prosecutor primary report documenting dozens of field execution cases in Gaza

Source: https://euromedmonitor.org/en/artic...nting-dozens-of-field-execution-cases-in-Gaza

Israeli military converts Gaza stadium into mass detention camp
Israeli forces have transformed a stadium in Gaza into a large-scale detention facility. Footage of stripped Palestinian men and children can be seen surrounded by Israeli tanks. Ramy Abdu, chairman of Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, says the organisation has corroborated allegations of field executions carried out by Israeli troops on civilians after forcibly removing them from displacement centres and stripping them.

Source: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...nverts-gaza-stadium-into-mass-detention-camp/

Link to video
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1USFiRrvjk/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=loading

https://www.tiktok.com/@boxxsmash3/video/7309218050207911214?q=@theepicmommy&t=1703607750804

The look she's describing is something I've also experienced, it was in the eyes of the fundamentalist Christians I was surrounded by growing up, and it too was associated with immigrants, with black people, with the poor, as if they were mongrels, subhumans that God forced us to put up with because we were supposedly so good and unfairly kind, and that when they were beaten down, when they were abused, mistreated, relocated, it was their own fault. This belief is so strong among cult groups. Just like Christian nationalism, Zionism is a genocidal cult.

Israel hits Bethlehem in Christmas raids on occupied West Bank
Dozens have been arrested as Israeli forces stormed Jenin and areas around Nablus.

Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...ies-occupied-west-bank-raids-on-christmas-day

Israel bombed Bethlehem on Christmas day.
Anyone who has said "all Hamas has to do is surrender" is already a part of history, and not the right side of history.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Warsaw-Ghetto-Uprising

Such people might want to check out what happened in Beirut in 1982 when the PLO surrendered.

Eh, it wouldn't matter. People who say Hamas should just surrender are cut from the same cloth of people who have said George Floyd would be alive if he hadn't "resisted." It's not about the context that lead to the situation, but that law and order must be maintained. Millions of Palestinians could die, and many of them would still hold to this.

James Baldwin once said, "My experience with liberals, they have attitudes, and they have all the proper attitudes. But they have no real convictions, and when the chips are down and you expect them to deliver and what you thought they felt, they somehow are not there."

He was right.

Some of them will care in 10-20 years when enough time has passed that it can be seen as a part of history. In the moment, though, when their need for help is the greatest, the Palestinian people are shit out of luck.

She’s adhering to the trope that Jewish=white and Arab=brown. As has been pointed out over and over again, the majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahim. They were expelled from the Middle East and North Africa.

She's talking about Zionists, not Jewish people. Pay closer attention.

If you were kicked out of your home country and the only place you could find refuge was Israel or possibly the United States, you would most likely believe in Zionism. Doesn’t mean you’re a racist.

No, it doesn't.

One might expect you to have a bit of a mental pause when it comes to kicking others out so you can homestead, though.

But then Americans were born of those who fled "persecution" (not being allowed to persecute) so they have a soft spot for this shit. As for non-American Jews? Well, some have more sense than that. The rest are in the West Bank, or support the settlers.

WTF are you lying about? Most zionists are not refugees. These are people who have voluntarily went to Isreal to occupy the land. Do you realize the people entering Isreal today, and for at least the past half century were not kicked out of their country? Isreal recruits people with free palestinian land and as long as you are jewish you get citizenship.

The Jewish comedian guy was correct, but he a few too few "and they lie" in there. There is a book of racism, and it is universal. You racist pricks quote out of it just the same as @Steal Your Face , and then you pretend you do not support racism, just like he doesn't support racism or Donald Trump.

But Isreal has started invading and bombing refugee camps. They got them all gathered together in a tight little area and surrounded them, told the refugees to run because the attacks are coming, and now are killing off every refugee who tried to get out of the way. But the zionist racists here are going to artgue about the meaning of genocide, when the entire meaning of zionism is the master racve was entitled to this lanbd and all that oppose them can be killed bewcause they are human garbage.

If Isreal was in europe or america this crazy cult would be trying to kill everyone there because god entitled them tot hat land. There is something very familiar about that.

Crazy mother in law decided she was not making enough crazy stupid comments at christmas, so she brought up how horrible it was that Isreal and Palestine did not take off for christmas. That resulted in an interesting attempt to get through her christian centric mind that neither muslims or jews consider christmas a holiday. Then she made the greatest christian ignorant statement that the jews celebrate hanukah, to which all of the rest of us having a number of jewish friends had to tell her that that was a little while back.

The interesting thing about all of that is I ended up distracting her from antagonizing my sister with a discussion on world philosophies earlier because she wanted to expound on her education on world philosophies. She was not ignorant by any means regarding other religions, and you cannot live in miami and have family in Boca and not know when hanukah is, or that jews don't share the hilday as they have their own, right?

But it was a nice reminder that we have lost all of our militant white christian superior racists this past year, and are left with a self centered oblivious one which didn't start a huge fight over all this shit. I was expecting somewhere during the season to be hit with an Isreal/palestine argument preachy argument outside of WF and other places on the internet, and the american jews I am surrounded by are not zionists at all.

Isreal is losing the decent jews.

Are you seriously comparing the murder of 1200 people and the kidnapping and torture of countless more by Hamas with George Floyd giving a cashier a fake $20?

Take your meds. Maybe see your doctor about increasing the dosage.

That is not what she did, but if that is your only defense of Isreal's actions it is telling. Yes, it is just like you to try and make every palestinian into someone who needs to be killed because they are all a violent threat to the master race. That goes right down to killing kids and executing adults for things like passing a fake twenty while pretending that is a huge danger to law and order and society.

Just like most palestinians, Floyd was not a threat that needed to be slowly choked to death for the crime of being who he was.

Good try Racist POS.

I am hereby granting the emergency application of @14thDoctor to the 2023 biggest wf racist competition. He was a bit late with his application, and it is not often we have a jewish zionist member beating the american confederacy, but his late efforts make him the Ron Desantis to FF's Donald Trump. Only in this case 14th is polling much better with the zionist community than desantis is with repugs.

Israel says it will block United Nations visa requests

Source: https://www.axios.com/2023/12/25/israel-un-visa-requests-block

That damned Hamas backed UN.

No, I think she compared the murder of 1200 people and the kidnapping and torture of hundreds more with George Floyd “resisting arrest” by yelling “I can’t breathe!”

And again, trumpian level obtuseness is your only defense. The reason Floyd was killed was because of the racism which depicts black people as sub human animals that need to be controlled, which is reinforced by the demonizing of the whole community due to the overinflated and cherry picked actions of a few. It is exactly what is going on in Gaza where IDF is executing innocent palestinians because they claim all of them are violent terrorists who need killing.

Hey, why don't you tell us all how Isreal is not technically committing genocide while they are bombing refugee camps thwey told non-combatants to flee to.

It is amazing how fast some supposed non-racists can just start speaking directly from the racist handbook as soon as you find the right group.

I compared the systemic inequality in which both black folks and Palestinian people have lived in for generations. Modern Israel is a modern Jim Crow, and a modern apartheid state. What the Palestinians are experiencing is what black folks experienced, and in many places still experience, but here it's better hidden than it is over there, where they have barbed wire and gun turrets marking forbidden territory, while we hide it behind black and white forms and red lines.

You notice the reverse belittling of the US black community, and others who the US goes against, by backhandedly saying people like Floyd should be thankful that american cops harm them much less than the IDF and Palestinians. Don't forget how the guilty watch others who are worse than they are and then excuse their own crimes and immoral behavior because whataboutism.

Thanks @Order2Chaos , FF should not feel any guilt for his racist comments about Floyd because he isn't out joining the IDF to torture and genocide palestinians.

That's the thing about the colonizer mindset: any time the oppressed group starts to fight back against the system, even in the mildest way, it is met with merciless retaliation. Look at the 1985 MOVE bombing in Philadelphia as an example of what the white supremacist system will do right here in the US without hesitation. Israel does the same thing to Palestinians. Palestinian children who throw rocks at tanks are shot. Old Palestinian men who refuse to get away from their homes are crushed by Israeli tanks. It is an overwhelming response, because the primary motivation is fear, and the underlying fabric of that fear is genocide. Just like how there are white people who think if black people had equal rights they'd take over and make white people pay, there are many Israelis who believe that if Palestinians had the right to live free among them they'd take over and make Israelis pay.

That is the fear of the colonizer, that the colonized will somehow rise up and take back what colonizers believe they have rightfully stolen.

Netanyahu is now openly promoting "resettlement". Why is this being ignored by the western media? Anyone else here got a problem with it?

https://www.israelhayom.co.il/news/geopolitics/article/15002089

Depends, genuinely voluntary resettlement is fine, if it's code for forced permanent resettlement, then no, that needs telegraphing as unacceptable.

We're not getting a two state solution any time soon, so anything to take the heat out of things for a few years - and that includes tackling Israeli settlements in the WB (the Palestinians have made it clear that any Palestinian controlled territories must be juden raus, so that will be forced resettlement back to Israel proper) - that could lead to that is to be welcomed, even if it is resettling people whilst Gaza is rebuilt and decisions are made on running it afterwards.

We are not going back to the previous status quo, which is why Hamas is split on a ceasefire - outside of Gaza they're of the delusion that Hamas can retain power in Gaza after this, inside the penny has dropped that the only way of doing that is the IDF being forced to retreat. Of course, that would mean Netanyahu having to face some kind of music and permanent removal from power, and he'll cheerfully sacrifice as many lives as he wishes, be they Palestinian or Israeli, to defer that day, and give not a fig about international opprobrium.

I've honestly no idea how this will get resolved, beyond the Israeli right getting their way. The US currently has poor leadership, something unlikely to be resolved until 2028, most of the ME governments would Clarkson meme the genocide of the Palestinians, the UN has always been something of a joke, and Iran is only going to overtly intervene if they're happy to risk a Tehrandectomy.

"Voluntary" resettlement in the context of a destroyed Gaza is little different to forced resettlement. They're never going to call it that themselves, and their western supporters will find enough space in the semantic difference in which to hide.

The Biden Administration is against this, of course. But like so much else in world affairs, the looming concern is the return of Trump. He might very well go along with the Israeli right.

That's mostly on Hamas, the consequences of their actions and their assimilation of civilian infrastructure over the years made the destruction of Gaza as inevitable as night following day.

It is brutal on the Palestinian civilians, but no one was giving much of a shit when Hamas spent years co-opting civilian infrastructure and turning Palestinian civilians into human shields. So anyone with any influence during those years now making sad faces might want to check the blood pooling in their own palms, as that was the time to avoid Gaza getting flattened.

This is very much one of those "I wouldn't start from here" problems, where any solution is going to be costly in many forms.

Trump will do whatever satisfies his ego and wallet, he's a wild card in that, but a controllable one - just the only people who don't find his controls as gauche are the ones with similar controls.

Keep giving him a big gold coloured buildings to make money from, and he'll focus the US on what you want him to for as long as you're the one waving the shiniest toy.

I fundamentally disagree that it is on Hamas that Israel has chosen to destroy the Gaza Strip. But you know that.

Had Hamas not attacked in October, would Gaza be currently being transformed into rubble or not?

Had Hamas not co-opted the Gazan infrastructure to such a degree over the years, and Israel started flattening Gaza, I'd agree with you it wouldn't be on them.

However, they did did both in full knowledge of the consequences, so disagree away.

"Look what you made me do" is not an acceptable moral position. Israel and it's leaders have their own agency.

And that's ignoring your implicit acceptance of much of their propaganda about civilian infrastructure and human shields, already debunked in specific cases. And ignoring the prior history. Civilian suffering is a feature, not a bug of this campaign.