Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

It's worth noting that Likud and others also use similar wording in an opposite sense. The phrase has a long history. Given the hysterical and unfounded anti-Semitism smears levelled against opponents of Israeli violence, are we really to believe that if activists stopped using that slogan that that would be the end of it? Or would the smears just move onto something else?

It has repeatedly been shown that there is no pleasing a fundamentalist like a zionist. They will simply find the next thing you say to mean you are their enemy because they know you are their enemy because you want to stop their abuse and killing of whoever they are doing it to. There is no reasonable because what they want to do is unreasonable.

It's borderline, there are certainly genocidal voices coming out of the Israeli government, but as things stand we're seeing mass deaths and destruction on a scale threatening to tip into actual genocide. What happens next will determine if it is genocidal or not, if the intent is either entirely remove Palestinians from Gaza, or totally remove agency and/or culture, then yes, I'll agree it is genocide.

As for 'freeing' Palestine not meaning genocide, yeah it does if it means Israel is subsumed. The PLA have already stated no Jews on Palestinian land, and Hamas are blatantly genocidal.

You don't educate children from an early age about the wonders of killing Jews if you've any future plans to have peaceful relations with them.

An oppressed cunt is still a cunt.

Any thinking that they're going to live next to one another harmoniously is delusional. Even a two-state solution would inevitably head towards war without some external influence pointing a gun to their heads long enough to wash off the hate in some future generations, and even then, both sides have plenty of nutters who'd cheerfully accept death so long as the other side got it too.

Give it a try.

I don't think you're an anti-semite, I do think you're allowing yourself a measure of reactive blindness though. It's understandable, if you get piled on, it's easy enough to start defending the attributes of what you're not out of self defence.

Instead of using a slogan that implicitly means the removal of Jews from the region, pick something else, if people start using that to beat you with, that's on them - that slogan is on you though.

Isreal is now the little guy who has to scare off all the other guys wanting to beat him up for the abuse of palestine. Now he has to act all insane at everyone else to scare them, and then the US gets to come in and stop the fight between Isreal and everyone else while Isreal gets some more shots in on palestine while palestine is down and prone.

I really think this is the plan worked out between the US and Isreal. Isreal is going to overreach and then Biden is going to swoop in pretending like he is the voice of reason, only he has allowed the war crimes to happen, but he will stop Isreal from attacking everyone else if they all just calm down and let Gaza go. This will be just in time for the news to spin this as some great diplomatic save for Biden which makes him our hero, despite the fact he has yet again funded and encouraged the killing of tens of thousands of muslims by proxy. It is the reason why Isreal exists. It has nothing to do with the jews having a state. It is all about putting a toxic killing machine in the middle east right next to all the muslims because the christian white have always wanted this ever since the crusades.

This is not new at all. This is old school christian war with Islam and the jews.

There is the reality that both Isreal and Hamas are working towards genocide. I do not believe Palestine as separate from Hamas is working towards genocide. From there I will say Isreal and Hamas are no where near on the same level for being able to move towards their goal. Isreal simply has so much control and military superiority over Hamas that their efforts will be far worse and might be able to wipe out the palestinians in Gaza. I also still agree that Isreal needs protection from Hamas as they will try to kill every Isreali jew they find even thopugh they are in no position to deny Isreal power, food, and water like Isreal is doing to them. Nor are they able to bomb and destroy Isreali infrastructure to the point of large scale rubble that Isreal can and is accomplishing on Gaza as we type.

If we want to stop the genocide some sort of outside force is going to have to protect both sides from the other while taking a beating from both sides. Otherwise the creeping genocide Isreal is doing is eventually going to be accomplished unless some other force comes in to attack Isreal. The solution I think should happen is one that I admit is pretty much a fantasy as I do not think any country wants to put their people in the middle of this to protect both sides from the other, or to enforce such a protection against the backlash of violence that will come from the extremists on both sides.

Isreal is about to do something very shameful with the help of the US and their bloody shameful existence, and I think the laughter people like @14thDoctor needs to at least be pissed on. I would piss on the palestinian side too, but I do not have any room being the jews are all forming a line. If I want to piss on someone, I have to piss on the zionist jews waiting in line to pee on the palestinians, and I just have this overwhelming need to piss on this crowd of jackals.

It's not worth rehashing with these people. They don't want to understand, they want the signature gone so they don't have to feel uncomfortable. Fuck their comfort. Thousands of Palestinians are being murdered. I saw video yesterday of a Palestinian baby with her brains hanging out of her head, while Israeli officials drone on about how even Palestinian babies aren't innocent. Anyone who supports this genocide is someone I do not want to know. So let them bleat about slogans while children are murdered with impunity. Let them complain about the threat of genocide while an actual genocide takes place against 2 million Palestinians.

The breaking down of communication is an admission of defeat by the one who does it. It is why I don't ignore anyone except complete spammers, and I do what I do. It is the breakdown of communication which leads to the slippery slope of war. That is when you start lobbing projectiles instead of words.

I would not refuse to talk to a palestinian, despite many of their beliefs that GLBT people are wrong, because I have little to lose. The same can be said with any of the people defending Isreal around here. It is words here, and those words here do not directly cause the violence over there. The same reason I won't punch a Nazi is the same reason I wouldn't punch @14thDoctor . We are on the internet talking and this right here is not killing people. So I leave the lines open to talk because I want to know what they are feeling and saying. They can take what I say for whatever it means to them, because I do not live their lives in their position, and I am not going to force them to see my way.

I used to keep my lines of communication open for people, because I wanted to be there if they decided they wanted to know more or learn, or to work with me on some problem we mutually shared. I don't do that anymore because all it does is leave a line of abuse open. I will be patient for a very long time, but once I close the line, I keep it closed, that trust has been lost, and I will not renew it without some massive change of heart on the part of the person being blocked.

Quite honestly, a lot of the people here, the people that remain, just want to take stabs at others. It's entertainment to talk about a genocide, a bit of conversation, some debate to make the morning more interesting. I have Palestinian friends who are dead, so this isn't some words, it's the mindset of people who can casually talk about a genocide like a thing that will never affect them and so it's a spectator sport. It's the mindset that carries over into the news, into water cooler conversation, and becomes shared sentiment. Indifference is so easy, and what gets talked about here is a fundamental part of that indifference.

"It's just words on the internet" would have worked back in the 1990s, early 2000s, but thanks to the ubiquitous nature of technology being carried everywhere all over the world, in our pockets, and in our heads, it's so much more than "just words" now. People have committed murders on "just words." Words are powerful. Words create ideas, which can lead to actions, so being mindful of what is said is crucial. It's not just words to call a black person the "n" word, for example, because there is a history of repression and bigotry that are connected.

Words are charged particles, and they affect the things they come in contact with, and change formulations to create something else. They are potential energy that create kinetic actions. If that wasn't the case, then the aptly named Wordforge would have ceased to exist long ago. Social media wouldn't exist, and the protests, political movements, and actions that emerge from people speaking to one another would only exist in theory.

So all of this is real, it affects real lives outside of this space, it's not "just" words.

Maybe seeking out this sort of graphic material isn't the best thing for your mental health? Just sayin'. You can be outraged about something without torturing yourself with such graphic imagery.

South Africa is apparently Hamas now.

South Africa files genocide case against Israel at World Court

Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/south...ice-genocide-order-against-israel-2023-12-29/

Hey, remember when the United States was killing a lot of innocent Iraqis, Syrians, and Afghanis during the second Iraq war, and George W. Bush was treating anyone who didn't fall in line with the US hegemony as terrorist sympathizers? Remember that? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Remember how that turned out when it was found that the US had other reasons for being in Iraq once the lie of "weapons of mass destruction" was uncovered? Pepperidge Farm remembers that, too.

Amazing how Hamas is everywhere, and apparently in the West Bank, too, since Israel keeps bombing, and attacking refugee camps in the West Bank, and soon to be all over the world.

Keep shopping folks, or Hamas wins.

Yeah, you keep pulling out the same talking points over and over. "It's just like America after 9/11!" "This is just like Black Lives Matter!" "Hamas is George Floyd!" "Colonizers!"

The rest of us remain unconvinced.

*Except for Rick, whose "not every bad thing is exactly the same" protests never seem to fly in your direction.

Who is this "rest of us"? The position that you have taken is completely isolated in the world, where only abuse of the veto by the US (going against its own population) prevents a ceasefire resolution at the UN.

Okay, let's be magnanimous in the spirit of the season and agree that it is open to an interpretation other than I intend.

Now changed - won't make a button of difference to those who want to conflate Israel with Jews though.

They're calling it blood libel. Of course they are.

Significant that this comes from a state where an apartheid system propped up by the United States was fought and defeated.

Worth reading at length since in it's 84 pages it pulls together a lot of the evidence of what's been happening. But here's some detail.



Meanwhile, some sobering statistics on how many could die from disease and starvation (these aren't even yet included in the death numbers) - half a million within a year, or a quarter of the population of Gaza if nothing changes.

Also, while Israel and the US might yet again brazen this out, ignore any judgement against them and prevent any direct action to stop the genocide, a judgement against Israel would have knock-on legal effects including allowing people to sue companies and individuals who are complicit.

Blah blah blah more "words are violence" horse shit. If you need an unchallenged echo chamber, the defect is yours, sluggo.

And fuck your comfort, too. Works both ways.

Are you suggesting that Amaris, who blocks other posters but who cannot be blocked as an Admin, prefers to exist in an unchallenged echo chamber? Inconceivable.

*The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.*

Sir Arthur Harris


Topical.

The jews I know are not zionists, though they value the lands of their religion. Like a muslim going to Mecca it is a spiritual trip of excitement to go to Isreal. That is why I sort of fall on the side of let the Jews have Isreal for that celebration. Make it safe, don't take over more land, but have a place for being a fucking jew. I would actually be interested in visiting in a respectful observance of what goes on. Sort of like I would love to see mecca on the off season because I do not want to take the room from any true practitioners.

Judaism has the same extremists and problems as any other religion, and it seems the same cult followers who see no wrong. It opens them up to the same damages as any other religion. For people like @14thDoctor who have been exposed as rabid jewish supremacist zionists, I have to put them in the same box as the klan, Nazis, and radical Islamist terrorists. You suck. In the case of the 14th he is bordering on criminal but obviously too chickenshit to act upon his toxic ideas.

I am not judging jews on some jew I met on the internet who is trash. I also do not support genocide, ethnic cleansing, or the wanton destruction of people and property via war overreach. I did not like it when the US does it and thank people like Chelsea Manning for having the courage to face the hardship to tell us the truth about the US military. I have fought and decried zionism since the early 2000's so I am not surprised by the zionist jew uprising or the disgusting shit they have started to do in regards to desecrating dead bodies and proud IDF videos of it. The 14th doctor laughing at dead palestinians and horrific numbers of children and innocents killed is level of scumbaggery even people people like @Steal Your Face at least pretend to dislike. It is more along the lines of what a @Volpone or Storm type of racist would do for shock. I am pretty sure if Ukraine were to blow up that many innocent Russians in Russia the world would would immediately pull the leash even though I would give Ukranians much more victim anger leeway.

It just shows how 14tth, and @Demiurge are really badly disguised racists and nasty conservatives. Still other just show their ignorance or more subtle racism and prejudices as it pertains to muslims and jews.

"If we act strategically they will emigrate and we will live there. We won't let 2 million stay. With 100-200K in Gaza, the 'day after' debate will be different. They want to leave, they've been living in a ghetto for 75 years."

That's Smotrich, the Finance Minister again. Yesterday. Yeah, definitely voluntary - no hints of ethnic cleansing here.

Even Al-Jazeera is less misleading than you.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...iterates-calls-for-palestinians-to-leave-gaza

Israel’s Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has called for Palestinian residents of Gaza to leave the besieged enclave, making way for the Israelis who could “make the desert bloom”.

Smotrich, who has been excluded from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s war cabinet and discussions of day-after arrangements in Gaza, made the comments while speaking to Israeli Army Radio on Sunday.

And even this "far-right" guy makes an excellent point:

He added that if the 2.3 million population were no longer there “growing up on the aspiration to destroy the state of Israel”, Gaza would be seen differently in Israel.

“Most of Israeli society will say: ‘Why not? It’s a nice place, let’s make the desert bloom, it doesn’t come at anyone’s expense’.”

Hamas leader Musa Abu Marzouk releases statement after Ahmed Barca, 11 year old Palestinian boy was shot dead in Gaza by Hamas, while trying to access the aid.

"The aid that comes to Gaza must be distributed to the resistance fighters, and what remains, distribute it to the people. The attempt of some citizens to seize aid, as happened today in Rafah, will be fought with all force, and the people must offer what is expensive and what is cheap for the sake of the resistance, not steal the food”

https://www.threads.net/@doronofircast/post/C1UXyPDLwNS/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

Is there a source on that other than some guy on Threads?

"Some guy on threads" is 1000% better than your usual source, which is none.

"I’m personally a Holocaust survivor as an infant, I barely survived. My grandparents were killed in Aushwitz and most of my extended family were killed. I became a Zionist; this dream of the Jewish people resurrected in their historical homeland and the barbed wire of Aushwitz being replaced by the boundaries of a Jewish state with a powerful army…and then I found out that it wasn’t exactly like that, that in order to make this Jewish dream a reality we had to visit a nightmare on the local population. There’s no way you could have ever created a Jewish state without oppressing and expelling the local population. Jewish Israeli historians have shown without a doubt that the expulsion of Palestinians was persistent, pervasive, cruel, murderous and with deliberate intent - that’s what’s called the 'Nakba' in Arabic; the 'disaster' or the 'catastrophe'.

There’s a law that you cannot deny the Holocaust, but in Israel you’re not allowed to mention the Nakba, even though it’s at the very basis of the foundation of Israel. I visited the Occupied Territories (West Bank) during the first intifada. I cried every day for two weeks at what I saw; the brutality of the occupation, the petty harassment, the murderousness of it, the cutting down of Palestinian olive groves, the denial of water rights, the humiliations...and this went on, and now it’s much worse than it was then. It’s the longest ethnic cleansing operation in the 20th and 21st century. I could land in Tel Aviv tomorrow and demand citizenship but my Palestinian friend in Vancouver, who was born in Jerusalem, can’t even visit!

So then you have these miserable people packed into this, horrible…people call it an 'outdoor prison', which is what it is. You don’t have to support Hamas policies to stand up for Palestinian rights, that’s a complete falsity. You think the worse thing you can say about Hamas, multiply it by a thousand times, and it still will not meet the Israeli repression and killing and dispossession of Palestinians. And 'anybody who criticises Israel is an anti-Semite' is simply an egregious attempt to intimidate good non-Jews who are willing to stand up for what is true." - Dr Gabor Mate

And there you have it, Amaris is a rape apologist.

Interrogation of terrorists in an investigation by the IDF's Unit 504 has exposed tactics used by Hamas to exploit Gazan civilians, a report by the IDF revealed.

Two terrorists from different factions within Gaza - Hamas, and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad - have divulged details on Hamas threatened residents of Gaza to meet the needs of the terrorist organizations.

Zohadi Ali Zahadi Shahin, a Hamas terrorist in their Shati Battalion, admitted during the investigation that Hamas not only stopped Gazans fleeing south towards Rafah and relocated them back north to Shifa Hospital. There, civilians were kept while Hamas terrorists waited in hiding under the hospital in tunnels.

Shortly after realizing that the IDF would be on the hospital grounds, he said that the terrorists went to the ground floor where the civilians were being hosted.

Shahin spoke about Hamas terrorists would overtake civilian homes and make them their own, plant explosives next to doors in homes where small children were staying, and tell the residents that they could "leave if [you] have a problem with it."

He added that a Hamas operative threatened him and said, "If you don't like it, I'll put the bomb between you and your wife."

Muhammad Darwish Amara, an Islamic Jihad operative from the group's Gaza Brigade admitted that Hamas terrorists planted a bomb in his home, where his children were staying, to coerce him into participating in their terrorist actions.

Hamas terrorists admit to exploiting civilians in IDF investigation (msn.com)

There is a huge difference between being an apologist and pointing out Isreal's violent abuse of palestine. Your argument would be one where you watch I spit on your Grave and you would be arguing how horrible it is to allow women to have knives because look what they do to their rapists. If you side with the woman in ISoYG you hate men and are anti-white redneck.

Give us a fucking break with that bullshit. In no way shape or form has @Amaris ever apologized for rape you sick twisted fuck.