A tactic of the complicit passive bigot. T'bonz is a fucking karen

So, has T'Erf been forced to step down at TrekBBS yet? (Assuming she's still in charge over there.) I don't feel like trying to remember my password, so I can't see what's going on in TNZ about this.

Someone did post a copy of her post here in TNZ, right?

For the record, I only care about this because if she is forced to resign over this, Uncle Albert won't like it.

Who would force her to resign? Isn't the owner over there the definition of absentee?

Christian doesn't really show up anymore. Hell, I can't even remember the last time I saw him post. So yeah, mostly absentee.

I'm sure he can be contacted. Spam his mailbox with something along the lines of "I've removed TrekBBS from my ad blocker's whitelist, and it will remain off until the TERF is removed." That ought to get his attention.

Is Jayson still over there? Or Timo Salami-onni-whatever? They'd make great admins.

Wait, what am I saying. Christopher is the only choice. It's his time.

Nah, their board, their business. Of course, when she's here that's a totally different story, but if TrekBBS wants a TERF in charge, that's certainly their choice.

That must have been burning you up for a while over there. Good for you, I will let you know when your opinion is required for my existence. I know you are the all powerful mod of a trek discussion board on the internet, but you need to go take this shit up with the republicans telling you what you can and cannot do with your uterus. If the anti- abortion and anti-women's health care people are who you want to give the power to regulatye medicine to, then you get what you deswerve silly TERF. I am quite sure Trump and Desantis will be making well sure women have a place at the table serving them sammiches and being silent as the bible tells them to. It is not the Trans women doing that, but OMG they might take up a stall in the bathroom while passing waste.

Anyways, don't threasten me with your own oppression.

Is there something else you want to say? *It took you a few months to come up with this, and your pre-school teaching spectrum troll went wandering off when everyone got bored saying high to her.

Is it going to be another month or so while you think up some more dumb ass trekbbs tricks? I get why even the trolls at ED are bored with this pathetic shit. God damn, when dayton kitchens pretending to be a alcoholic park ranger is the biggest fun you have, you need some fucking help.

Anyway, have fun and thanks for telling us all the truth.

There are so many sites like that. It is not really a free speech site anyway. It is clear TNZ just reflexively bans anyone who makes a snowflake triggered. There are so many entertainment sites like that, and I get it. Most people are not on entertainment sites to fight the controvercial fights. They are there to talk star trek and sci fi with some extremely shallow mention of current world events. It is why I do not bother with it with my Tererune accounts. When I go to anime sites I do not even want to hear the other side of the discussions, especially when discussing things like Wandering Son, or lilly from Zombie Saga.

I knew TrekBBS had a reputation for banning in depth trans discussion and trans members for being too spicy a while back. I had heard it and kept it in the back of my head for a while, and this just sort of confirms why. I tried creating an account because of here and wondering about what was going on in TNZ, but that was a PITA so I did not bother. I am pretty sure I would be banned with one of my more mild rants.

It is their site, and their snowflake population. But that is where people like @T'Bonz spend most of their time at. Like a blind little mole they pop their head out every so often into the bigger world and then run back in when a shadow scares them.

Seriously, if I ran into tbonz in the ladies room she wouldn't say a word. I know what to do with those who do. It would not be my firsty rodeo of talking to the cops and laughing at the karen. I had mall security try to toss me out of a upscale mall for being crossdressed, and I had stores fighting to give me asylum while I was laughing with the state cops at the karen rent a cop asking them to taze me. I have had the old biddy of sylacauga AL ticketed by the townie cops, and the management of walmart fired for fucking with me.

T'Bonze can go flex all she wants, but it only matters on trekBBS. That is some sad ass bullshit right there.

Hey, leave me out of this

You have convinced me to sign your petition to get @T'Bonz to resign to piss off @Uncle Albert . It sounds easy enough, and it is for a good cause. Do I have to actually click the mouse or something, or can you just put my name on it? It is a lot of effort to click on things, and I just passively piss UA off by existing so I am not up for doing too much work for this sort of thing. Did I type enough to make this an official Tererune length post? OK, @steve2^4 might have smiled so I think that is good enough.

Quoted and texted to Rod Roddenberry.

I'm not even going to read this thread and have nothing to contribute about individual personalities - I will only contribute this:

As a matter of identity, particularly LGBT identities, any given person is who/what they tell you they are right now. Whether or not they might detransition or whatever in the future (or you suspect they will) is irrelevant. NOW is what you respect. And it's disrespect if you reject that. Sometime disrespect is the intention, but that's different.

It will do me exactly zero good to waste my effort trying to persuade someone who's bought into the TERF gospel that they have errors in their reasoning.

However, there's one point of order that I must make:

"now a man in a dress waltzes in and takes over"

That claim couldn't be more out of touch with reality if it had invoked Jewish Space Lasers. Trans people are estimated to be about 1% of the population, not all of whom have had the privilege of transitioning and living their identity (for various reasons) and we have "taken over" precisely NOTHING!

In over half the states there is some process in motion with the intention of legislating us entirely out of public life. One entire political party is obsessed with our elimination and the other is, in the main, too spineless to join that fight. The trans-female that even WINS a contest among cis-females is an incredible rarity both among all competitors and among trans competitors. The idea of dominating or corrupting women's sports is an utterly laughable delusion that takes a sort of cult-like devotion to believe. The most visible critic of that participation lately (who wasn't already famous for something else) is Riley Gaines who has made (wth the help of theocrats) a profitable grift off of having finished TIED FOR FIFTH PLACE with a trans woman.

On restrooms, the singular goal for any trans woman in any sex segregated space is to NOT BE NOTICED AT ALL. Fuck taking over, we're calling it a win if some asshole doesn't decide to bash our skull in.

Literally NOTHING about your life has been imposed upon in ANY sense by our existence. At our age, if you use public multi-user restrooms at all you have done so in the company of a trans woman dozens of time AND YOU NEVER FUCKING KNEW IT because it harms NO ONE.

Sorry. Triggered.

Anyway, point is - nothing about our past or current existence constitutes "taking over" any damn thing, we just want to "pursue happiness" (as we're told is our god-given right) quietly, boringly, unnoticed, without bigoted religious assholes deciding we're safe to fuck with.

This is why I made this bullshit thread, and thank you to @T'Bonz for keeping this contained mostly here.

Here is my thing because admittedly I do not know you with a history of discussion.

What the fuck is your problem with Trans people. I get @Amaris mayt not be the person you like, or I may not be to your liking. I am perfectly fine with that, as I am prickly at first by design. Yes, I know I am an ass and offensive and purposefully do it for my own reasons, and can be a really nice person when I want to.

Don't you get it that the sexists are turning you against Trans Women. If there is a trans woman telling you how to be a woman, I got no problem with you telling her to STFU because you know how to woman much more than she does. I can totally see some of the loud mouth bitches on the internet becoming overly salient because that is what you have to do to get heard and get attention. The nice Trans person and drag queen just passes by like everyone else.

You have to be aware of this as a mod at trekbbs, and this is what I do not get about you. The asshole trannies you see lampoon are the awful ones who need to be hit. If you come here and verbally punch me in the face, that is cool as I have a fiery personality here. I do not understand why you don't seem to apply that to the trans community.

In all honesty, you fucked with @Amaris because she was out there trolling. She went off and said some shit that fucked you up, and you said some fucked up shit back to her. All of that I am fine with. I am even fine with your little snowflake hole over at trekkbbs. Have your nice fluffy discussions without the hate and cultivate that community. I am actually glad it is there for people to participate in. If someone neds a time out because they got to hot, then so be it. The refs where I used to play paintball used to pull me off fields because I was aggressive (Playing wise, not antagonitically) like a motherfucker. During a regular day I need to tone my shit down because it stung people a bit much.

Maybe you don't see what happens with the trans community because you are gaslight by the right to hate us, but we do not want to take over and tell women how to be women. We want women to stand the fuck up and be heard for themselves. We are the ultimate feminists IMO because we want to exist in society seen as a woman with all the negative sexism and get rid of our privilege. You eat shit and like it when you go trans woman. You have to do it with a smile or you don't pass. You cannot argue with a man like you can as another man.

We are the ones who see how differently girls and boys are raised and how it defines their positions in society. We are the people who are attuned to sexism in ways you may not even see it. I cannot tell you how it is to have a period or give birth, but I can often see sexism in places feminists don't know. This is why trans people were valued by progressive society. We see the poor ways humans treat their women so that we can address that. We can help. We are never going to take it over, and what is female can only be followed by us. We can never define it, and really when you look at it we want to abide by it and promote femininity in our culture whatever that means.

Yes, I know that is not where some trans allies and trans people are with the fighting, and they go overboard. Perhaps you can see that women have had to go overboard to make female only spaces in society to encourage females to join in activities. Trans women are not evil for requesting to be a part of those activities as a woman. I do agree imposing their participation has to be done with caution and respect to their struggle.

I am totally fine with tamping down some stupid tranny or ally who is talking too much shit and going overboard.

My problem is that you can't change your sex. It's encoded in your DNA. Science. Or do we not follow that anymore?

I honestly think that it's a mental disorder. That is not an insult.

This does not mean I dislike those who believe they are trapped in the wrong body. I don't. My only beef is if they start taking away women's rights in their pursuit of their erroneous belief. Other than that, it causes me no harm to use their pronouns though it feels dishonest to me and is odd to do so.

If you want to try to get me dumped from TrekBBS, I don't really care. They know over there (long before this) that I don't like when transwomen go in women's restrooms and compete against biowomen. I've NEVER HIDDEN THAT. I'm never spoken openly about my belief regarding the issue itself as it wasn't to me a big deal and generally discussing *any* controversial issue leads to fights and life is too short these days to fight online, but I'm sure those who know me there could figure it out. It didn't affect how I run things over there, I will boot someone off for persecuting someone who is trans. Note that persecuting does NOT mean disagreeing with the issue, but persecuting people. I've made sure that no one hassles those at the BBS who are trans and we do have it happen from time to time. A few of my members, if they can see past their fury at these recent posts, can attest to that. As I said, I don't dislike trans men/women, I just don't believe in it. It doesn't impact how I treat people.

I'm pretty much live and let live, whatever my own beliefs. That offends some, I know, especially in this day and age, but pretty much, I'd say probably at the 95% level, people who are furious at this are people who disliked me anyhow, and you may rest assured that I don't lose sleep over it.

The wonderful thing about being older is you stop giving a damn about what the masses think. It's wonderfully liberating. A few of you should try it.

Feel free to squawk some more. You should be thanking me, you fucking ingrates, I've given you someone to unite in Holy Internet War against 'til the "next thing."

Have a nice whatever.

I guess I should quit being a bad girl and be serious now since you are making a real effort at a real discussion unlike 90% on either side of the issue.

I'm not against trans woman other than as a woman with sexual abuse in my background, I'm massively uncomfortable with a biomale in the ladies room. Now you may say that is silly (and I've had this discussion over there), but it's a very real issue for some women. If you appear to be male, and a good chunk of transwomen do not look like biowomen - we can usually tell, it makes some of us extremely uncomfortable to have a biomale in the bathroom, a place where women are vulnerable. I know, you'll come back with, "but I'm a woman," but a) I don't know if you still have your equipment and I'm certainly not about to ask and b) creepy ass biomales will use this permission to go into a ladies room to their advantage and yes it HAS happened from middle school to public bathrooms and it's not a good thing. Yes, it's a biomale issue but biowomen pay the price.

I will tell you as a biowoman that you may *believe* that you are "attuned to sexism in ways" that biowomen might not even see, but we are raised with dangers that a bioman never has to face as a male. Let me enumerate. I will use "male" in this case, but please assume "biomale," not "transmale" and see "woman" as "biowoman" for these examples.

-Woman can't make prolonged eye contact with a male or it's perceived as sexual interest
-Walking alone at night or in an isolated place in the day can be risky for a woman.
-High school/College parties/going drinking: Women should have a buddy who will look out for her so that she is not taken advantage of (i.e: roofied, raped/murdered)
-Drinking: Care in drinking as drinking too much can lead to unplanned and unwanted sex (even if unconscious)
-No hitchhiking. Too risky
-Male attention. One man, or a group cat-calling or saying offensive things? Eyes straight ahead, say nothing, walk briskly. Be prepared to run, just in case. Don't be surprised by very rude comments if you don't respond to their crude sexual come-ons. And don't say anything in return, because some men are not very nice and may attack you (hit you).
-Bathroom, even if it's a women's restroom. If alone, check stalls first before sitting down to go.
-Dating a stranger for the first time? Check that the car door has a handle when you get in. Make sure someone knows his name, address, phone number, where you're going and when you'll return (approximately).

These are just the potentially dangerous situations a female can find herself in. A transwoman will have her own set of challenges, equally dangerous, but this is stuff we had to learn from a young age. I personally know quite a few women who were date raped or outright raped.

Growing up biomale, about the worst a male has to worry about is getting his ass beat, getting robbed (that can happen to us too) or fucking up when drunk and getting jailed (we can do that too).

Now as for the sports, men have biological differences that even after taking various drugs to transition, give them a huge advantage over most women. And there are quite a few biomales that won't do the official transition with surgery/drugs, for various reasons, and they'll kick a woman's ass in sports. It's honestly not fair. I know that you may THINK you're a woman, but honestly, you're not. Not physically, anyhow.

As I said, I don't hate those who are trans. Not even close. I'm not keen on the really nasty radical ones that insist others go along with what they feel. Radicals of any type are rather annoying. I'm not big on the feels anyhow. I honestly feel that it's gender dysphoria, and that trying to be the opposite sex doesn't fix it, at least from what I've read (no, not political shit, I have an interest in medicine). I'm not so sure that it's healthy for others to support this type of thing though if it is indeed a mental issue. I will use the pronouns because it's polite and I'm usually not in the business of being mean. In Amaris' case, I honestly don't believe in what she claims she is due to a long knowledge and I know she'll sputter at that, but I've seen too much over the years. As always, YMMV.

What I'm hearing here is along the lines of "I don't hate trans people. However, I have very little or no respect for them. Therefore, I feel they need to put in extra effort if they want me to treat them like people." Is that how you intended this to come off?

Sit down, the fuckin man, and recognize she is fully capable of talking for herself. Her feelings are her feelings because of the fucked up way the world is. Telling us about it is how we fix things. For that I thank you @T'Bonz for coming here and talking hard. In klingon fashion you have earned some of my respect.

You endured the pain of my flames and have responded with your insight.

Doesn't she identify as Romulan?

Just gonna add that much of those risks you enumerate still apply to trans women, and are possibly even greater when intersecting with other marginalizations they may face (i.e.: sex work).

To be honest, most of those conditions exist for men in comparable settings (granted, 99% of the time the ultimate threat is still other men rather than women-although YMMV on how an incident of violence is initiated in social settings).

If I make eye contact with a woman too long, it's not just at risk of being perceived as sexual interest, but possibly intimidation

walking alone anywhere is risky.

wing men exist for more than diverting the wing woman, including keeping you from waking up somewhere normally not to your tastes. "coyote chew"

hitchhiking is obsolete, safer to hop trains if you're going any distance. although yeah, the highway of tears is an all too real thing and I'm sure the USA has more than a few comparable places. (intersectional marginalization applies in that example as here it's mainly a factor for indigenous women/2S).

I honestly don't know a "biomale" who's experienced homelessness who hasn't also experienced sexual violence, and I work in a shelter.

About the only thing you listed that we don't have to place as high a priority on is checking the bathrooms (although we're encouraged to at work). In my experiences an attacker is more likely to follow you in rather than be lying in wait.




At the end of the day I just believe it more palatable and sensible to align the body to the brain than vice versa.

oh... forgot to mention that even if we stick to a strict chromonsonal definition of "sex" it can still be up to a six factor variable.

I identify as a Cyberdyne Systems model 101 cybernetic organism.

Sure.

The BIOS is corrupt and there's no main chip in any event, but it LOOKS shiny and dangerous.

And old. Don't forget old.

As a teen, I had literal homophobia of the "everyone's gay and they all want my beautiful precious asshole!! " kind
Should that brain damage have been catered to?
It wasn't. I had to self-headshrink that shit out.
Don't inflict on other innocent people that you need help.

Actual experience versus boogeymen.

Your telepathy skills are still negligible to nil.
Give up.

Right over his nappy head.

I’ve lived 60 years as a woman. I’ve been assaulted. Bonz may have different experiences than I have so I won’t argue that. What I will say is that men do not need to go so far out of their way to assault women. And I am not remotely afraid of non-typical looking women in women’s restrooms.

how edgy.