Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

ITV interviews a man in a group waving a white flag at Israeli forces in Gaza.

Once the interview is finished, an Israeli sniper shoots him dead.

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The journalist or the man with the white flag?

That reminds me, I had someone tell me Ronaldo is a huge Palestine supporter, to which I said I’ve followed him for almost 20 years and I’ve never heard that. Sure was fun going down that rabbit hole of disinformation and fake videos.

A man waving a white flag was shot dead. There is absolutely no way to know from this footage who shot him. If you think there is zero chance that it was Hamas shooting a Gazan waving a white flag of surrender you haven't been paying attention.


https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
Here's Hamas conducting a wave of torture and executions of those they claimed collaborated with Israel.

Here's Hamas shooting their own civilians trying to get food from aid trucks.
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1bhublvt

Lots of horrible things happening in Gaza. Once the massacre was on, all hell was bound to break loose.

Which is why you don't start wars. Especially ones you can't win.

Only now?

The ICJ pronounce on preliminary measures tomorrow.

If they're cowardly (and they might be, since they're under enormous pressure and many of the judges may be influenced by their governments) they'll throw it out on a procedural technicality - Israel's argument regarding the existence of a dispute.

Beyond that, they could order Israel to take various measures short of telling them to stop, with regards to halting their obstruction of aid - or allowing investigators on the ground.

Or ideally, they might tell them to halt their attacks.

Israel will likely not comply in any event. But this will not be cost-free - to themselves or other states which are complicit.

What's the cost you're imagining here?

Haaretz reports a breakthrough in talks for hostages/ceasefire deal. The tentative deal includes all hostages in exchange for unspecified # of Palestinian prisoners, significant increase in aid to Gaza, and a minimum of 35 days ceasefire.

https://bsky.app/profile/omrimarian.bsky.social/post/3kjt6xwpfvk23

I told you people. Forget if it was this thread or another but for some reason folks in the M.E. really like the CIA Director as a mediator for these kinds of things.

As soon as I saw he was in the region to try and finalize a deal I suspected they were close.

Are you aware that ICJ orders have legal standing in every country in the world which has signed up to it? That means if Israel are in breach of an order from the court that governments and corporations complicit with their crimes can be held legally accountable and/or forced to alter their own behaviour in national courts.

(The US is an exception as I mentioned earlier, having withdrawn from recognising the courts jurisdiction when it was found to be illegally attacking Nicaragua.)

That's one of the costs.

Couldn't Israel just withdraw from recognizing the courts jurisdiction like the US did?

What cost did the US pay after that previous decision?

Israel could withdraw. Everyone else will still be subject to the ruling and open to challenge on their actions in support of Israel and their own failures to uphold the genocide convention.

The US was not exposed to the same extent in the 1980s. The crime wasn't genocide for a start (which all states are obligated to prevent) and they were not dependent on support from abroad to commit it.

From the river to the sea, I'm jerking for Palestine with glee!

@14thDoctor what is this bullshit?

This was a jihad-like terror attack in Canada that no one seems to know about

Honestly, between this, the protests that are shutting down major thoroughfares, and the attacks at Yorkdale Mall and the Eaton Centre in Toronto, Canada needs to start deporting a whole bunch of people.

Protests that stop traffic are just fine and dandy, right? Anything that disrupts to get your point across.

Here are the families of Israeli hostages blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza, for the 2nd day in a row. Their goal - no aid for Gaza until the hostages are freed.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-s...otesters-block-aid-reaching-gaza-from-israel/

A small group of protesters, including relatives of hostages held in the Gaza Strip, demonstrated at the Kerem Shalom border crossing on Thursday to picket humanitarian trucks going into the Palestinian enclave while demanding that aid be cut off until the captives held by terrorists in the territory are freed.

Part of the group was initially stopped by a roadblock but they made their way through, walking several kilometers toward the crossing for a second day in a row.

Tsufit Libman, sister-in-law of captive Elyakim Libman, called the delivery of aid to Gaza while the hostages are still captive a “moral failure.”

“While we don’t know where our families are and if they are alive, they [Gazans] are getting humanitarian aid,” she said and accused Palestinians in Gaza of “covering up crimes” and assisting Hamas.

She urged the government to be firm in not allowing any humanitarian aid until the hostages are freed.

Dani Elgarat, whose brother Itzik Elgarat was injured and kidnapped on October 7, said the protesters wanted to demonstrate to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that “he needs to show courage and to stand up to the Americans and tell them…not a single drop of water until I see our captives coming home.”

He called for others to “come to the border crossing and stop this humanitarian aid with your bodies.”

Oh yeah, there was some mentally ill security guard that "attacked" city hall before immediately getting tackled by another security guard. Last I heard he didn't even try to resist getting taken down. Seems more like a cry for help than a proper attack.

I actually work a couple blocks from there and we're all annoyed that our office didn't go into lockdown over this for even a minute. No one knew at the time that this was one lone nutjob.

First I've heard of it, wow

Was a time where this would have been everywhere

What's your point?

That they are free to protest this way?

Sure.

If you're planning to point out the hypocrisy of Westerners supporting this... has anyone driven a truck into these crowds yet? Or passed laws making that legal?

Those protests are deep within a military zone. There is no way that the IDF aren't in on it. And they were already going to great lengths to obstruct aid.

Western news is not broadcasting the ICJ rulings, again. I'm watching on Al Jazeera. The court just threw out the Israeli claim that there was no dispute and therefore no jurisdiction, and the judge is now quoting the genocidal statements by Israeli leaders. This looks promising.

The South African claims are plausible, finds the court. Risk of further catastophic consequences for Palestinians if the situation persists while the case is ongoing. Instructs Israel to take all measures to prevent genocide, to prosecute incitement to genocide, to drastically upscale aid and to preserve evidence. And to report back within one month on these things.

15 votes to 2.
As predicted, they've split the difference and the actual order is a little weak. No order to stop the attacks on Gaza as such.

Of course, Netanyahu already announced that "The Hague won't stop us!"
So this is not the end of anything, but the fact that the case is found as plausible and that there are things that Israel must comply with presents a challenge to Israel, the United States, their other backers and the entire hypocritical "rules-based order".

Stand by for "Hamas! Anti-semitism!"

So... no order to cease fire from the ICJ, or actual finding of genocide? Just don't let it devolve into one?

What are the odds. LOL.

It's pretty clear what my point is. You might want to check yourself for long covid. That can cause confusion and an addled mental state for years.

That's because no one cares except for the folks who actively support terrorism.

Israel better watch out, or the next step from the UN will be to send a very sternly-worded letter!

The UN did. To it's own employees, firing them.

UNWRA has terminated the employment of several of it's employees who Israel has credibly accused of being involved in the Oct 7th massacre while the UN relief agency conducts a complete investigation.

Bad day for the Marxist propagandists all around, it seems.

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/offi...us-allegations-against-unrwa-staff-gaza-strip

They said that the charge of genocide was plausible and that the case would proceed. But they aren't going to declare the verdict before the trial, you moron.

The order didn't go as far as I'd like, but then the Israelis have already said that they won't comply.

I know my response was snarky, but it's the truth. Western media are all about the money. If they thought their audiences would care, they'd absolutely be broadcasting this shit. But they're not. So do the math.

When’s the last time Western news live broadcasted an ICJ ruling?

So the ICJ won't order a cease fire to stop an ongoing genocide because the other side has said it won't comply?

Funny, they ordered Russia to stop it's military assault on Ukraine in 2022, less than a month after it was initiated. That too was their provisional response.

I wonder why the court sees these two issues differently? Israel can keep on with it's war, but Russia was told it must immediately withdraw and stop all hostilities.

But then, you said that Russia's attack was definitely not a genocide, because they didn't attempt to kill all the people of Ukraine. So maybe you aren't the best person to ask about the intricacies of international law.

A new restaurant in Jordan is named “October 7,” apparently celebrating Palestinian terror group Hamas’s massacre of 1,200 people in a brutal rampage through southern Israel on that day.

The shawarma joint has been opened in the Southern Mazar district, south of the city of Kerak near the Jordanian side of the Dead Sea, according to a video posted on social media.

The clip was published approvingly Wednesday evening on X by Dima Tahboub, a former member of parliament, writer, political analyst and a member of Jordan’s Muslim Brotherhood, a conservative Islamist organization.


Tahboub has previously courted controversy for praising a Jordanian soldier who carried out the 1997 Island of Peace massacre in which seven Israeli schoolgirls were murdered and six others injured.

In the two-minute video, an unidentified man films the customer-packed restaurant from outside, as well as its surroundings, and then goes into the eatery, where customers and employees with “October 7” robes greet him while he congratulates the staff on the new name.

Restaurant called October 7 opens in Jordan, appearing to fete Hamas's massacre | The Times of Israel

Gross.