2024 General Election Thread

Yes, well, those are big cards. I mean, when abortion can't even get them a win in fucking Oklahoma...

logically and mathmatically that is not true. If you vote for Trump it take two votes to bring GBiden to winnintg. If you vote for no one it takes one vote for Biden for Biden to win. I am not doing any work to make Biden win. So you are going to have to vote for him.

Do not get mad at me because the dems ran Trump light. If the bartender puts Bud and Bud light in front of me, I can always chose to drink my piss instead of the piss that is in either can. All three have the same number of nutrients.

George Carlin logic doesn't win here.
You dont want to vote? That's fine. Just say you don't want to vote
I voted third party in 2016. I won't make that mistake again.

It is simple math and pure logic. I will never vote for Biden or Trump. They are both shit, and Biden has more decades of crap that has made him much worse than Trump could ever be. He voted for segregation and against bussing. He created tough on crime racist legislation. He created the banking crisis and predatory loans. He has voted against GLBT rights. He has tried to ban abortion federally after Roe because he is a cult member. He molested women at work. He demanded a female intern serve him drinks because she was pretty, trapped her in a hall, and stuck his fingers in her vagina against her will under her skirt and then destroyed her life because she did not like that. Biden also used his son Hunter Biden to make deals for MBNA when Hunter graduated college and was put on the executive of MBNA right out of college when Biden was making pro-bank laws.

Biden is worse than Trump because he has had decades of corruption and bribery as a senator and VP. Trump is bad, but he is behind and it would take him a long time to ever catch up to the corrupt senator/VP/president from MBNA. Biden is 100 percent dixiecrat.

Yeah, like I said, is Biden going to incite amob to overthrow the government? No? Then he has my vote over Trump.
I honestly don't care what Biden did 40 years ago. I care what he did for the past 4 years. Or rather what he didn't do. And you know what he didn't do? Almost irreperably run this country into the ground.
So I'm gonna vote for Biden over Trump. I'll freaky vote for almost anyone over Trump. You'd have to run fucking Alex Jones for president before I'd vote for Trump. And even then, I'd have to think about it.

That is great and all, but do not blame me because I won't vote for his dixiecrat racism, sexism, and cult level homophobia. Biden will say any lie to be elected. Once he is elected that is the end of any good he does.

What laws has he passed in the past 4 years that are racist, sexist, and/or homophobic?

Do you think you're more or less likely to get that with Trump?

Lichtman, the professor that has created a key system of 14 values that has determined 9 of the last 10 elections (and he claims Gore lost to Bush based on fraud, so that would make it 10 for 10) says that 'a lot would have to go wrong for Biden to lose.' Points out that polls are not a useful indicator until the very days before the election. He won't make his official prediction until August, but he seems to think Biden should get re-elected.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/26/allan-lichtman-prediction-presidential-election

Trump is now blasting RFK Jr for taking support from him. After it was clear that RFK Jr was put into play by Bannon and company to help get Trump reelected. Leopards and faces again.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...onald-trump-attacks-rfk-jr-votes/73481350007/

It's clear Bannon is playing sixth, perhaps even seventh dimensional chess. We're all his unwitting pawns.

Let us start with the basics. Joe Biden has been a senator in the US for decades. He did 8 years as a VP. During all of those years he fought against gay marriage. He fought against gays in the military. He has thought glbt people were against his cult, and has fought for the implementation of catholic rules over the rights of GLBT people to exist. He has decades of history of this.

You seem to be unaware of his past, and he has not just been in government for the last four years. Oddly you are confusing his time in government for Trump's time in government. Where was Joe under Obama? Doing everything he could to slow the progression of GLBT rights and endorsing things like DOMA and DADT.

As usual you are the opposite of correct.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-bide...020-marriage-d73965f26aa54d0fab2e9eca7830ef76

Well, that and health care.

And civil rights.

And voting rights.

And economic policy, because despite years of media jaw-flapping to the contrary, there's plenty of evidence that the economy does better under Democrats than Republicans.

Yep, those are the only ones.

Healthcare, where is it?
Civil rights, yep, like getting social media to ban you or take down your comment
Voting rights, yep, like cancelling primaries, taking your political opponent off of ballots and jailing him
and the economy because despite the gaslighting, the economy is not as great as they are saying it is and was better under Trump.

Health care: It's far more available and affordable than it used to be thanks to the Affordable Care Act, which Democrats want to strengthen and Republicans have voted several dozen times to repeal.

Civil rights: Like being able to get married, or not get fired from your job for being gay.

Voting rights: Like not purging voter rolls without notice and then turning legitimate voters away at the polls. Like not declaring that you need a state ID to vote and then just coincidentally closing almost every DMV branch in a majority-Black area. Like not requesting information about what voting methods are most commonly used by Black people and then systematically targeting those methods for elimination.

The economy: We have 40-plus years of every indicator from the stock market to unemployment performing better under Democratic administrations, and no amount of desperate flailing on your part will change that.

So Biden jumped the gun and accidentally came out before Obama on the issue? That is your proof?

May 11th 2024 when Obama was fightuing for his second term after spending 4 years trying not to overturn DOMA Joe Biden accidentally spoke too soon in the re-election year.

Yes, the dems and Obama had calculated their loss on DOMA which was ended by the supreme court. They determined "evolution" was their new word to cover their loss. Biden came out too soon and blew Obama's surprise turn around on the issue. They were forced to evolve in an election year in hopes of getting younger kids out to vote for Obama over Mittens Romnifeller.

I know what happened, I was there. Biden is and has always been the breaks on the GLBT rights train. He had spent decades fighting for his catholic cult and enforcement of christian rules.

BTW read the fuck up. One of the people who voted for DOMA was shitbag Joe. One of the reasons gay marriage was illegal and enshrined in US law was Joe Biden, and now you want to pedal me this garbage he evolved when really they had no choice because SCOTUS destroyed DOMA.

You are not very good at your intellectually dishonest half answer. When you searched for Biden and DOMA falling apart did you even bother looking at whether or not he had voted for it? Did you think I was not going to know his record on the issue and do an easy search for the votes I know that cult member made?

Think your argument out a lot better next time.

It was the '90s. In the words of Will Bailey from The West Wing, "Everybody was a Republican, whether they were or not."

*sigh*

Again the opposite of correct. You seem to have the same lack of understanding of how linear time works as the kid. HINT: 2013 (Windsor) and 2015 (Obergefell) both occurred AFTER 2012.

And DOMA wouldn’t be repealed until Joe Biden signed the Respect for Marriage Act in 2022.

OMG, he signed it in 2022 during the mideterms you fool. This is the bullshit I am talking about. Joe made the law and weakened every attempt to let it go until it was falling in SCOTUS as they were finally going to address it because they had no choice. Then to add insult to injury for all those years he waited until the fucking midterms to make a rather half assed effort to campaign on it again. Why didn't he do it in feb of 2021?

Joe Biden put it in place. Joe Biden fought for it until it threatened his vice presidency. Now he did it again for the midterms.

This shit may be great for you, but I do not and will not trust him. Right now shitty Joe is adding protections to Title X which have immediately caused Texas and Florida to say fuck off. When will Garland go down to enforce them with all the power of the DOJ? I won't hold my breath. The title X shit will be challenged and tossed and Joe will have pretended he did something and OMG the repugs stopped him. It sounds very familiar to how abortion rights have fallen and anti-abortion and anti-roe joe have done nothing but whine about how they cannot do anything. That is because all of his effort is fake.

Sure, when the tide shifts he evolves to pretend he supports it, but he does not fight for things he does not want to happen.

No. Again. You fucking idiot. First off he signed it in 2022 AFTER the midterms.

You do understand that Dec comes AFTER November, yes? You and FF really suck at these most basic of concepts.

Or is not understanding how laws are made? Just FYI the President can’t just decide to make a law and have someone fetch some paper and a pin.

Here’s an explainer that is your speed:



As to why there wasn’t more pressure earlier was that Dobbs hadn’t occurred which didn’t force Congress to have to address the issue, which even after they had to do it in a lame duck session.

You are still not changing the reality that he only did it for votes and after the issue was completely lost. Sorry, but he was a democrat creator of DOMA. That means he sided with the repugs and against gay marriage. When it mattered and could have been stopped he used his power to ban it. When SCOTUS was about to overturn it he jumped up to pretend he had evolved because the writing on the wall of appeals was going against him. Now you wish to pretend he did something in 2022 after DOMA was tossed and things were fine.

If that is what being an ally is to you, then you are fucked. This is the same guy who voted against bussing until that battle was lost. It is the same guy who tried to codify a ban on abortion when SCOTUS ruled in roe and now does as little as possible to do anything about SCOTUS overturning it.

With dems like this, who needs repugs and Trump. I do not vote for enemies like this dixiecrat fuck. Joe only evolves enough to get votes, and he never does it on time. It is only when he cannot drag his feet and deprive POC, women, and GLBT people right anymore that all of a sudden he brags about being an ally.

Joe has spent his entire career being a catholic and corrupt scumbag. He is the reason Trump wanted into government. He is the Epitome of White Catholic Male religious corruption in US government. The only reason the Klan rejects him is he is catholic and they do not think that is christian.

HOLY FUCK YOU ARE A MORON.

You need to go take a walk, try to cleanse your mind of your Biden derangement and consider why saying that repealing DOMA didn’t matter because SCOTUS had already blocked it is quite possibly the dumbest fucking thing you have ever said.

HINT, I gave you the answer in the last paragraph of the above post you are just rage rambling against.

I mean, for real! How deep have the Biden Derangement worms cored out your mind when you’d say that them codifying your civil rights didn’t matter because you trust Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett to continue to protect those rights instead of just admitting that the Ds and Biden (with some Rs) did a good thing?

We are clearly done here.

At this point I have to wonder why it is so damned important to you that I think Biden is a fighter for GLBT rights? It is not happening, but you do seem really attached to that.

Oh, and BTW I spent the Obama admin with a lot of GLBT people who were very aware they were dragging their heels and working against evolution by trying to side with the repugs in slowing it down because of the christian religious influence in the US. The dems have had to be dragged kicking and screaming into GLBT rights.

When you look at Trump vs. Biden Trump was somewhat tolerant of gay marriage until he had to go right because he got political on the right. Trump was never religious, and even flirted around with Rudy in drag back in the day. Trump will say anything to get a vote, but he has never held a really strong belief about banning gay marriage. On the other side we have Biden who has long been a very catholic religious right person. He has kicked and screamed at the devaluation of christian morality in US government on a number of fronts. He has only recently given it up when it became a losing issue. But he has no reason to be pro-GLBT. Trump would become Pro-GLBT the moment they start throwing money at him. He has done it when he was getting political in the 2000's and has been endorsed by a number of GLBT republican groups. Trump has had to be beaten away from supporting gays because it never mattered to him.

What are you talking about? There is a potential that Biden's protection of marriage act gets hammered by the new court. What is Biden going to do about it? The same thing he always does. He is going to throw his hands up in failure and say what can he do. Just like how abortion has died on his watch, he will let that die on his watch too.

He is not an ally, and you really seem very desperate to make him seem as one.

Some further points to address from upthread.

No, I'm not saying not to vote. Vote for Jill Stein. 1.5 million people did last time out.

As Tererun stated in a rare moment of clarity, not voting for Biden isn't voting for Trump. Voting for Trump is voting for Trump. Don't vote for Trump.

That said, it isn't a given that Trump will be worse on Gaza and everything else. Generally Biden is much better domestically but his foreign policy is extraordinarily dangerous, seeking confrontation and trying to maintain dominance all over the world. Trump is a clown but he's unpredictable and has little inclination for empire building abroad.

It's not me that you have to convince. Maybe blame your guy for doing the thing that is causing people to turn against him, and try to get him to stop, rather than traducing people who won't get with the program. If he loses it will be his fault and nobody else's.

What a fucking shit human being.

Throw away your vote on someone who can't win. No chance. 0%. Help get Trump elected, who has the backing of the 2025 committee that's going to destroy the Federal government and put in Trump lackeys, fascists all. Trump has stated he will use the DOJ to attack his political enemies, not because they committed crimes, but because they held him accountable for his. His former Sec of Defense said he will do everything he can to destroy democracy. The one before that said he'll use Nazi tactics to divide Americans and destroy the Constitution. And we know he won't leave power willingly once in - we've already seen it.

Care about human rights? He'll attack those, and his backers want to reduce women's rights even more. Care about the environment? He said he'll dismantle the protections against climate change. Care about the LGBTQ community? Christofascists will overthrow what gains were made in the last decade.

This is literally the death of America as we know it.

But sure, throw away your vote.

Is Joe a good guy? No. Will he be better for the country than Trump? Certainly. We've recovered from weak, ineffect8ve leaders many times. If we could survive Warren Harding, we can survive Joe Biden.
I'm not so sure how well we can survive another 4 years of Trump. It's literally an existential crisis.
This is basically the Trolley Car Problem. Neither choice is great, but one offers a greater benefit for the larger amount of people.
The difference is, if you pick the Trump trolley, it will wheel around eventual and flatten the other side too.
I'd rather make sure we actually have a mostly functional government first, and then worry about the issues you mentioned.

Did I say Rick's gone a bit bye-bye?
Rick's gone way bye-bye.
Rick's gone Teletubbies bye-bye.

You do know there's a reason why opposing parties usually egg on third party challengers, right? Up to and including giving them campaign contributions.
Lots of Republicans donated to Ralph Nader. Lots of Democrats donated to Ross Perot.
I get that you come from a country that has, literally, almost nothing to add to the international stage. Where one of your biggest issues is whether or not you go through customs to get to the northern part of your country.
But a Trump presidency could destabilize much more than just our national affairs. He's doing his best to dismantle NATO, embolden literal dictators, and revert to the kind of isolationist tactics that led to WW2.
I'm sorry there's not one country that really cares what Ireland has to say about international issues, but some of us have to legitimately worry about what effect our choices will have on the rest of the world. If America's not leading the way, for instance, on helping Ukraine, the rest of Europe just dithers about and lets Putin steamroll them.
You might not like all the foreign choices the USA makes. I dont either. But the choices it makes are extremely consequential. We don't have the luxury, at this point, of making a protest vote and saying "Well, I stuck to my ethics!"