2016 Presidential Election Thread

Such defeatism.

Realism too, maybe, but defeatism like that is what allows the whole corrupt system to perpetuate itself.

So Bernie endorsed Hillary this morning. Does that come under the heading of "big fucking deal" or no?

predictable.

Though he probably knows Hillary Clinton won't push for a fraction of those idiotic liberal ideas in the Democratic Platform.

Hillary on her own wouldn't. But notice how her narrative has changed to be more and more like his. With him looking over her shoulder, she’ll realize her standard sales pitch won’t work. Of course there’ll be compromises – that’s the definition of politics – but fewer than there would be if she’d sailed into the nomination as easily as she thought she would.

Watch and see.

She’s also out of her mind if she doesn’t include him in her Cabinet, because if he returns to the Senate he’ll continue to be the loyal, but loud, opposition.

Either way, he’s gonna be on her six for her entire administration.

From what I know of the Clinton's, Hillary will compromise heavily to maximize her chances of getting reelected. Just as Bill Clinton did. She'll console herself with the belief that she'll advance the liberal agenda in her second term.

A term that historically speaking has very little chance of happening.

I wish you were right, but I don't see how. What does he have on her once she is elected?

He's a gadfly. He can't be silenced. It's not a question of blackmail, but of whether she wants to hear that rasping Brooklyn accent once a day at a staff meeting or constantly from the floor of the Senate.

Can't help but think that Socrates disagrees.

My take on Clinton is that if she changes her position on something, it's legit. I'm on my phone, so can't find it right now, but there is a good article about this floating around. I'll see if I can find it tonight.

And look what happened to him.

This one? https://medium.com/@zacharyleven/the-case-for-hillary-3564233d524f#.4ubm1qu6f

Well, yes. That's pretty much my point.

That's because the reason that she changes her position on something is that someone slipped her a couple million dollars. Money talks, and Goldman Sachs has a lot of it!

https://twitter.com/SavedYouAClick/status/752893103414112261

As someone put it, that's like Occupy Wall Street endorsing Goldman Sachs.

No, this one.

http://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview/the-gap-listener-leadership-quality

But I also thought the one you linked was good, I just happened to have read the Vox piece more recently.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/study-election-coverage-skewed-by-journalistic-bias/

No wonder we ended up with Clinton and Trump.

And you know what pisses me off about that? The fact that many in the media will admit that they gave almost no substantive coverage to important things, but shrug it off and say despite all of this, voters should have somehow known better and voted for somebody else.

^Oh please, they're two pretty different subsets of the population, the voters and the spectators of mass media.

Media knows exactly who their audience is, and (aside from a lot of seniors) they're not the half that votes.

And seniors tend to turn out in larger numbers than other demographics, so....

Of course. The local community center is frequently where voting takes place.

One hopes this quote gets preserved in the Wordforge Quotes thread, or someone's sig

might tip the balance on Warren for VP too. Or at least, someone he approves of (isn't Franken someone that's on his wavelength too? I'd LOOOOVE to see either of them debating Gingrich!)

That's true, and the thought worries me a good bit. Dodge the Trump train now, have every possibility of getting destroyed by the Cruz Missile in 2020 - neither options is palatable.

HHS maybe? Where could she stash him? And would he accept?

The email I got this week was that Bernie would be rolling out some successor organizations to his campaign. Hopefully they'll be the real deal, as opposed to how Obama's "Organizing for America" got turned into "Organizing for the Democratic Party."

I think he would. HHS would be an excellent niche, and he has strengths in other areas as well, particularly Veterans Affairs.

Jesus, this election cycle is the ultimate shitshow.