2016 Presidential Election Thread

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  1. Dayton Kitchens

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    That in no way makes logical sense.
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  2. Bickendan

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    Ensure, not insure.
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    Iraq war questions follow Jeb Bush to Iowa State Fair


    Des Moines, Iowa (CNN)Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's brother's legacy in the Iraq War continued to haunt his candidacy Friday, when he faced questions from an audience at the Iowa State Fair about his relationship to the policies of President George W. Bush.

    One of the fair-goers asked the Republican presidential candidate during his appearance on the Des Moines Register Soapbox whether he was being advised by Paul Wolfowitz, George W. Bush's deputy secretary of defense and the architect of his Iraq War policy.

    Jeb Bush tried to spin the question away from his legacy as the son and brother of the last two Republican presidents, but he did so awkwardly.

    "Paul Wolfowitz is providing some advice," Bush said. "I get most of my advice from a team that we have in Miami, Florida. Young people that are going to be ... they're not assigned, have experience either in Congress or the previous administration."

    He continued: "This game, the parlor game that's played, you know, where you have 25, 30 or 40 people that are helping you with foreign policy, and if they have any executive experience, they've had to deal with two Republican administrations -- who were the people that were presidents, the last two Republican? I mean, this is kind of a tough game for me to be playing, to be honest with you."

    Bush repeated his pledge that he was his "own person" and pointed the audience to the foreign policy speech he gave earlier this week in California, saying that was where he articulated his policies if spectators wanted more information.

    Right before the adviser question, Bush faced several other questions about the Iraq War and the deal to pull troops out in 2011. The withdrawal was a target of Bush's critique of President Barack Obama's policy on ISIS in his California speech.

    After interruptions by the questioner, Bush tried to move the conversation to the fight against ISIS and thesituation in Syria.

    Bush did get a big reaction from the crowd when he gave out his email address, subtly drawing a contrast with Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton. One comment from an audience member was a "great idea," Bush said.

    "So here's the deal: my email address, write it down and send me your thoughts: jeb@jeb.org," he said, noting he had made his email address and archives available as governor of Florida as well.

    "I think we need a lot more transparency in politics today," he said, to cheers from the crowd.

    CNN's Ashley Killough reported from Des Moines, Iowa, and Tal Kopan reported from Washington.
  4. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Maybe if @T.R stopped ignoring two-thirds of the membership, he could weigh in on his own thread. Otherwise, it will go where it will go.
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    Rumors About Al Gore Considering a 2016 Run Are Overblown, Source Says

    A high-level Democratic source has poured cold water on rumors that former presidential candidate Al Gore has been considering a second run for the White House.

    A BuzzFeed report on Thursday linked the 67-year-old's name with the 2016 presidential race, saying his supporters had begun internal conversations and were "figuring out if there's a path financially and politically."

    However, a top source within the Democratic Party told NBC News that there was nothing substantive happening in the Gore camp.

    Gore's name has been floated as a possible candidate for every primary since he lost the election to George W. Bush in 2000.

    Meanwhile, Vice President Joe Biden appeared to be giving the 2016 race some thought, according to two Democratic sources.

    The sources said the 72-year-old has started to reach out to close friends and allies to discuss a possible run. He would not make a decision until the end of this month, the sources said, however, and he was still very much mourning the death of his son, Beau Biden, who died in May.

    These quiet conversations are a sign that the FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton's personal email server has made some democrats jittery.

    Martin O'Malley, the Democrat long-shot candidate, told NBC News at the Iowa State Fair: "I think that people are hungry for an alternative."
  6. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Not Al Gore again, please. At least not before @Dayton3's much longed-for End Times.
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  7. Dayton Kitchens

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    And why are you claiming I long for the "end times"?

    Have you chosen to become as big of a liar here as ed629?

    I expected better of you.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Post #1456. Or did you intend to actually get off your ass and hunt @ed629 down for some sort of retribution?
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    I wonder how Federal Farmer would score on the Flesch-Kincaid. Clearly Trump's linguistic difficulties struck a nerve.
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  12. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Given that the preponderance of his rebuttals seem to consist of "I know you are, but what am I?" I'd say that's generous. My eight-year-old grandkid, who's about to enter fourth grade, would verbally stomp him into the schoolyard.
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  13. Dayton Kitchens

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    I can't stand Trump either. I didn't like him all the way back when he owned the New Jersey Generals in the USFL.

    I miss professional spring football
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    Chardman strikes again!
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    It's supposed to be funny. That wasn't funny.

    We know.
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    Yes, amazingly enough, when you plant the idea in people's minds that there could be a criminal probe of something, you can get a lot of them to say that there should be.

    Meanwhile, before that question was asked, the exact same poll found that a majority of respondents felt her use of her personal email account was a matter of convenience.
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  17. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Eh, give Dayton some time, he's still just figuring this stuff out.
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    And maybe we should probe Colin Powell's emails, since he used a personal account while SoS.
    (That's from those hippie liberals over at the Washington Times, BTW.)
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  19. gturner

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    And they're pointing out that he didn't use e-mail for classified information, used personal e-mail before there were any restrictions on it, and got the State Department into the 21st century by getting them to use e-mail for communications. He also did so before hackers had figured out how to penetrate systems anything like is being done now. That was the Win 2000 era, though he might have still been using Win98 for a while. I'm sure he eventually switched to XP. And yes, he turned over all his e-mails when he left, as if he wasn't using e-mail to conduct wildly illegal schemes to personally enrich himself with hundreds of millions of dollars from major corporations and foreign sources.
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    If he broke the law maybe we should. :shrug:
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    He didn't break the law because the law came later. When he was e-mailing back and forth there weren't the grave security concerns about it.
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    And then the next night, I made it up to E Chup, when I let him join me on my trip to Norphlet, where we took turns sodomizing Dayton's wife, while he was at school watching high school jocks shower, deciding which of them he would allow to service him when he became President.
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  23. Dayton Kitchens

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    ^Quite the trick since none of my family has lived there in years.
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    That law also did not apply in Hillary's case. But then, you probably already know that, so all these posts by you are just more lies.
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    The law definitely applies in Hillary's case. She's looking at a year in prison.
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    That is probably part of his appeal. His followers can actually understand what he is saying without having to ask other people what the big words mean.

    He has definitely got the racist vote zipped up and it isn't surprising that there are enough racists in the Republican party to catapult him to #1.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Sigh...

    The practice did not become illegal until the end of 2014. And even at that point, using a private account remained legal, so long as important documents are transferred to government servers within 20 days. You are a liar.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallp...heck-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law
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    Or Hillary might go to prison for three years under
    18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

    (a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    (b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
    She definitely and defiantly had custody of such records, and willfully and unlawfully concealed, removed, obliterated, falsified, and destroyed the same. In her submission to Congress she altered her e-mails from Sydney Blumenthal, which was discovered when his copies of those e-mails were gathered, so there's no part of 18 § 2071 (b) that she didn't commit, disqualifying her from holding public office.

    She also violated 44 § 3101 which covers records management by agency heads.


    And of course she's in violation of
    18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

    (f)Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,
    (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or

    (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

    And of course she was in violation of Obama's executive order on the handling of classified information. That order even defines "violation".

    (tt) "Violation" means:

    (1) any knowing, willful, or negligent action that could reasonably be expected to result in an unauthorized disclosure of classified information;

    (2) any knowing, willful, or negligent action to classify or continue the classification of information contrary to the requirements of this order or its implementing directives;

    And of course there's the perjury and destruction of evidence. This is why people like Al Gore are thinking of getting in the race, because once the avalanche starts the only thing that will keep her out of prison is a pardon by Obama.
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    D'oh... I got distracted by your listed location, which still reads "Norphlet", ya lazy bastard. Made the same mistake on our trip as well. So, anyhow, after a useless trip to Norphlet, we headed north, took a wrong turn in Little Rock that had us lost for a couple of hours. Eventually we got turned in the right direction, and shortly after noon, nearly 12 hours later than we'd intended, we finally arrived in Augusta. We grabbed a filling but wholly unremarkable lunch at some shitty little Tony Roma's knock-off at 2nd and Elm. Then came out to the car only to find one of our tires had gone flat. Changed that, but somehow managed to lose one of the lugs in the process. Arrrrgh!

    The whole roadtrip had been a string of such mishaps, and would have been a complete disaster, were it not for the fact that when we finally arrived at our destination, I soon discovered that Amy Kitchens has the most delightfully tight anus I've had the pleasure of forcibly dilating with my penis. Chup and I took turns one her all afternoon, and into the evening, and she was still pretty darn snug , right up to the very end.

    Good times, man. Good times.
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    Dude, go after the poster not his family.
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