Anybody else wear this stuff? I started out with the standard pants for work, but they're so comfortable and functional that I wear them elsewhere too. I started out with the Tactical Pants. Nice roomy cargo pockets, a convenient secured magazine/cell phone pocket on the left side, fit well and roomy in the crotch. The Tactical Pants are a little warm in Summer. They have a double seat and knees like BDUs, and the heavier cotton material is warm. For Summer use, I bought the Tac-Lite Pro pants. They're the lighter ripstop material, constructed just like the Tactical Pants plus an unsecured magazine/cell phone on the right side. Very comfortable in warm weather. Both styles of pants have the stretchy waist that's very comfortable to a middle aged man's waistline. I was so impressed with the pants that I bought a couple of the Tactical Vests. Even though I'm not a LEO, the vests are very functional for out and about use. As well designed as the pants IMHO. I also have the pistol holster that attaches inside the vest with velcro. It carries my 9mm Rugers well and is fairly unnoticeable. It adapts well to about any pistol. Seems to be good, functional clothing for LEO, outdoors, or work. Fairly dressy-casual too. Especially the Tac-Lite Pro pants. I give them 5 Elwoods.
5.11 has a good reputation for quality. But their pricing is on the insane side of things. Also IIRC they have been playing shennanigans with the stores that stock their gear. I hate to be a tease but Im going to bed now and will fill in the rest tomorrow. Short of the long, I wouldn't turn my nose up at their stuff but Im getting only if it gets gifted to me.
Those vests and others like them are known as "Shoot me first" vests within the community. Whenever I see anyone wearing one, I know they're packing. As for the 5.11 stuff, it's pretty decent, if a little overpriced for what you get. I was given a pair of their boots and they seem to be holding up well, but toe box is a little narrow. But, for pants I prefer these. Many, many police department's across the nation are now issuing these as their patrol uniform pants, a decision I wholeheartedly endorse. They're durable (duh), very comfortable, and they hold creases forever. It takes very little work to get them looking sharp and it's nothing to keep them looking sharp. They also come with 2" belt loops which is great because my garrison belt (also my every day belt) is 1-3/4". Most pants only have a 1-1/2" belt loop.
I haven't tried 5.11, I use Tru-Spec or Proper BDU pants for my everyday needs, I haven't has any problems with them concealing my carry rig Also: boot of choice http://www.rothco.com/general/index.cfm/fuseaction/itemdetail/item/453/subcat/39/prodid/98/from/left
Ok Im awake now (barely). 5.11 is now requiring dealers to only carry 5.11 products and not any products from competitors. So you cant stock 5.11 and Proper or NYCO or Eotac or Etc.. in your store. The biggest problem is their pricing. They are very proud of their stuff and charge a premium for it. One option that a few do is buy the L.A. Police Gear branded items from that websites close out section.
5.11 always seems to expensive for me. What you posted about not carrying other companies clothing lines has made me realize that Lou's Police Distributors, a LEO Glock dealer, has only 5.11 clothing. Lou's also carries the 5.11 catalog with Lou's name on it as well. I do have a pair of these 5.11 Boots. Very nice boots. Glad I got them.
The exclusive distribution agreements smell to me as a move of desperation. It sounds like they cant keep up with or are scared of the competition and want a captive market to justify the costs they want to charge.
Each of the 50 states is given one GLOCK LEO dealership. My toy store, Gulf States Distributors, is the GLOCK LEO dealer for Alabama, Tennessee, and Kentucky. They no longer carry 5.11 because of this. Long of the short, their money is in agency sales. They offer their retail stores strictly as a courtesy to LEO's 'cause they sure as hell don't make any money on it. Gulf States, has Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Kentucky wrapped up solid. They makes millions of dollars per year just off of uniform sales, so when 5.11 came in with that requirement, Gulf States laughed in their face and told them to get bent. Edit: Super Secret Cop's Only Story: Any time you buy a GLOCK, anywhere, you can get the discount. You just have to send your credentials into GLOCK and you get the huge rebate via straight up corporate check from GLOCK. GLOCK just sets it up so if you buy from that one LEO only GLOCK distributor in the state, you get the rebate up front without having to wait for the USPS to do it's little dance. Hence, anywhere I buy a GLOCK in Alabama, it'll be $400 after rebate. But, if I buy if from Gulf States it'll cost me $400 + tax out the door. If I buy it from Southeastern Gun in B'ham, it'll cost me their price out the door, then I have to mail in my creds and I'll get the rebate.
Only if you buy them from the manufacturer's website. I buy them when they're on sale for <$20 a pair. I bought three pair of the shorts about four months ago on closeout from L.A. Police Gear (5.11 made them dump everybody else) for $8 a pair.
If it wasn't for stupid army regulations everyone in the army who had authorization to carry a handgun would be using a Army issued Glock.
I gotta disagree. There are way too many people in the Army that shouldn't be carrying a firearm with out some serious training. Due to this the Army demands that their firearms all come with a manual safety. I don't see Glock doing this.
Glock has put external safeties on before. New Zealand police IIRC have Glocks with a external safety.
Not to mention whole BLOWTHEFUCKUPINYOURHAND little problem. Besides Glocks are buttfucking ugly. All those guns are. I can't stand my wife's Taurus Millennium Pro.
Yeah Glock is pretty much usually not at fault for that...... Are there records of Glock pistols exploding upon being fired? In: Mechanical Engineering [Edit categories] [Improve] The word "explode" is a gross overstatement. Glocks have what is described as a "partially supported chamber," which means that part of the shell casing is exposed to air when fired and not supported by the barrel's metal sleeve. This is not unique to Glocks, many guns are made this way. In rare cases, a weak or over-powered cartridge may burst in this unsupported area, causing the detonation of the gunpowder to escape into the magazine, which is full of ammunition. In even rarer cases, some of that ammunition may go off in the magazine, but in every case I know of the worst injury are mild burns on the hand and some scratches. The gun is history, though. I emphasize again, this is extremely rare and is almost impossible with name-brand factory ammunition. It's almost always a result of cheap high-powered 9mm or 40 caliber ammunition or a "double load" where a handloader accidentally doubles the powder charge in a cartridge. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_there_records_of_Glock_pistols_exploding_upon_being_fired And you can not find a gun anywhere that has not exploded due to faulty ammo. Hundreds of Thousands, if not millions of Glocks, are in use everyday. It's not the problem you're pretending it to be. And yeah you may think their ugly but who gives a fuck. The goal is to shoot someone or something. Not look pretty doing it.
Bullshit. It's a faulty design, and people are paying for it. [yt=How a Glock Works]nbsvGKoYK0c[/yt] False Dichotomy. And if .45 is too much for you handle, there are acceptable 9mm alternatives:
Yes. I know how a Glock works. I also know it is not a faulty design and you're talking out of your ass. Nice video btw but that is obviously the G20 or G29 firing a 10mm round. Everyone knows 10mm will level a city. And you do realize that Glock comes in .45 right? Six different versions of them. Three .45 Auto and three .45 GAP. Since I don't consider it to be an ugly gun there is no need for me to pay an absurd dollar amount for the weapon (which ain't pretty either) that you posted.
Anc, you're talking out your ass on Glocks. The history is there to prove the weapons are sound. I own two, have put thousands of rounds through both and they are golden. I still love my Taurus 1911 even more, though.
Did anyone else see where American Rifleman listed the Glock 17 as the third most important and ground breaking handgun of all time? The undeniable and undisputible fact that they are one of, if not the most, popular military and police sidearms in the world today says a lot more than a shopped seven second YouTube video. As for unsupported chambers, if you don't like Glock, let's talk about Sig. Sig has an unquestioned history of quality of design and manufacture. They are universally respected as one of the most reliable and accurate out of the box handguns in the world today. In fact, the Navy's SEALS issue Sig P226's in 9mm. The Sig P220 is universally regarded as one of the finest full-size duty double-action's chambered in .45ACP. Both have unsupported chambers. I know. I have them. If you don't like Glock OR Sig, let's talk about Beretta. You know that little black sidearm that replaced the 1911 in everyday service with the United States Military? Maybe you've seen them? [?=Yeah, it's got an unsupported chamber.] [/?] It's also important to note that the Glocks that were malfunctioning were in early production 22's chambered in .40SW. Of course, every manufacturer had those same problems, even those with fully supported chambers. Smith, Beretta, H&K, Springfield, Sig, Browning, et. al., all had teething problems when they scaled up their 9mm pistols to chamber .40SW. Even to this day, you can't give away a used Hi-Power in .40SW. They had so many accidents, even after a redesign, that the people finally got smart. It all boils down to the vastly increased chamber pressures in .40SW versus 9mm. Love them or hate them, Glocks are unquestionably durable and reliable, and I say that as someone that carries a 1911 every day. I haven't carried a Glock in over a year. Edit: There are now over 1.5 million Glocks in the hands of law enforcement in the United States alone. They range from your local Barney Fife to the venerated FBI. There are also 50,000+ Glocks in use by the United States Military. The USAF started issuing Glock 19's to it's flight crews as replacements for their old .38 survival revolvers in the mid-90's. If there was really a catastrophic design flaw, do you really think they'd still be in service?
Adding to the dog pile, Anc you are wrong. I'm not a fan of Glocks, but that's simply based on aesthetic and ergonomic reasons. Functionally they are a great pistol Point of order good man, the one manufacturer who didn't have problems was Smith and Wesson and their M&P line. That is because the line was built around the .40SW and then scaled down for the 9mm. In fact as soon as I can unload my XDm I'm buying a S&W M&P in .40.
Not a Glock fan here, either. They're ugly and, personally speaking, I don't like the way they feel in my hand (I don't really care for polymer-framed guns). That said, everyone I know who carries one for a living swears by them. My best friend, who carries one at work every day, even has his own Glock (or two?) that he carries when he's off duty.
I was issued some of this stuff when I went to Iraq and I still have the backpack but really it's hard to wear any of it without looking like a hopeless poser.
I was in Pysops back in 2004 so we did our own thing independent of 4ID. In fact there weren't really enough psyop guys to cover the whole country so we ended up moving around a lot. It was a good way to see the whole place, I guess.
