A Trans Bridge Too Far?

Big difference between respect and courtesy. And there's absolutely no reason to dignify that which you don't believe in.

UA evoking some real Karen vibes, and once again reminding us he's a miserable person.

Thanks for the honest answer, but JFC we have no common ground on basic decency.

well, yes... in the same way that the pedals and the chain are different parts of a bicycle.

you don't believe in human beings? I mean, that's what the dignity is being extended to.

I'd wager it takes less effort on my part, too. Not being a dick to people is an amazing way of gaining cooperation.

Here is the thing about work. We all have to treat dickheads we hate with dignity and respect while on the clock. Whether they are customers or the son of the CEO who thinks it is cool to wipe his buggers on the bathroom wall while he is pissing. This is called professionalism and none of us get to tell off idiots we work with, or the customers we are serving for the company without reprocussions like termination. No one is saying you cannot be at home and hate people. However, we represent a company at work and if you cannot suck it the fuck up and do your job without forcing your abusive opinion on others, then GTFO.

You are hired by the company to do a job for them, and that does not mean being offensive and rude to the other employees or customers. It does not matter that your imaginary god told you that you have to do it. Go work for your church if that is what you have to do. As the owner of a business if you chose to offend one of my customers for your job then you are fired. Yes, that would also apply to being rude to a customer for simply being christian.

The same respect does come into public places. We have a right to not be hounded, stalked, and harassed by people. We have a right not to be assaulted by people in public places. You do not have to like anyone, but you also do not get to harass and stalk them. You do not get to intimidate and assault them. You can hate them. You can elbow your buddy and say look at that fucking asshole. However, they could also say mean things about you.

If I was working for a business and tucker carlson or donald trump walks in I have to be respectful to them and serve them for my employer. If I do not like my job or my professional reputation anymore I can get my camera out and record a video of me telling them how horrible they are. Then I get fired and name shamed. The next time I go to an interview I am going to get asked whether or not they can trust me to act professional if I do not like someone, and then I do not ghet a new job because no employer can trust me to be professional on their dime.

This is what @Uncle Albert , @TheLonelySquire , @Federal Farmer , and every other right wing trumpista is whining about. They can feel glad there real names are not searchable with this stuff because they would have some explaining to do.

Have you ever had a job in your life? You must be the asshole at work everyone has to be nice to and bite their tongues around when you fuck everything up. You have to be the shit manager from dilbert.

Everyone who has ever been at work with an idiot knows the stress of not beating some asshole who desperately deserves it. Everyone who has ever worked customer service knows you have to give respect and courtesy to karens. Customers are horrible fucking assholes and all workers have to give them respect and courtesy because the customer is always right even when they are a giant idiot who is wrong. Then you have to smile at them after showing them how wrong they are and pretend it was your mistake and not their fault.

Your problem is we do not have to do that all the time to your entitled karen ass. No one gives a fuck that you don't like GLBT people, respect gay marriage, or respect someone's gender identity. You are a worthless asshole child raping christian fuck on the internet. You can hate all you want, but you do not get to assault people in public, and when you are employed by a business you suck it the fuck up and shut your jesus hole. Oh, and fake smile and be nice like the rest of us who are waiting for the end of the day to take that customer service or fellow employee face off. If you do not want to deal with selling your soul for survival then you had better be born into money, or enjoy being homeless in the gutter. Those are your choices in capitalism.

Well, I think it depends on what you're talking about. I can respect someone's work ethic or some other part of their personality, but things that I consider to be immoral or indecent choices? No way. That's compromising my values and I refuse to do it.

I'll give you an example. My niece is a college basketball coach. She's also a lesbian who is getting "married" next year. I had to subject my teen daughter to seeing her at Christmas. She was told to be courteous to her and her girlfriend and we both were. But that's it. My family won't attend any ceremony and won't send any gifts. To do so is a moral compromise. But whatever my niece does I hope she's happy. Live and let live.

Forgot to mention...I haven't worked in an office for 20 years so I don't have the in-person office politics thing to deal with. That would be brutal these days.

It's sad that your daughter has to grow up saddled with your bigotry.

Can you at least admit Chick-fil-a has the best chicken and customer service?

Well, she's told she has to form her own opinions. I'm sure many do and will continue to vary from mine. But thanks for your input.

Those is one of your best rants EVER! 5-Star! In particular the last paragraph is epic. But actually, you DO give a fuck and sesire nothing more than to be accepted as normal and moral. I'm sorry (not sorry) but that's just never going to happen for a wide swath of society. No matter what polls you see from CNN or MSNBC, people know that some things are moral and some things aren't. I also have no desire to assault you or anyone like you. Anyone that does should be arrested, jailed, and prosecuted.

What a shitty lesson to your daughter that your support of family is dependent on them following your cults rules. If she ends up cutting you out of her life I hope you remember that you brought it on yourself.

Why would you attend, participate in, or celebrate something you don't agree with?

This is why more people are "leaving the church" than ever before in history. The only people still going to an evangelical Christian Church in the US today, are assholes. The decent people have left that shit behind.

Actually, I do not boycott christian chicken because of the owners of the company donating their money.

I will admit I have always loved and received good service in chick fil a even when I have gone in while crossdressed and with obvious gays. They were welcoming, polite, and had ok chicken products. I am not saying they have the best chicken because they don't IMO. I do not long for their chicken like I do for KFC and really for Roy Rogers. I am also not a fan of their fries, and now that I no longer can really eat fries due to diabetes I have no reason to go. Also, they are sparse and not open on sundays so they are filtered out of my options in other ways.

I do love their advertising campaign. They are some of the only billboards I love seeing. They are fun and awesome. They are the only fast food I actually enjoy seeing the advertising for. As for their employees and franchise owners I hope they stay in business and get well paid. I wish they were open on sundays because people need to eat and that would be more hours for more employees across the nation, and they are not a small employer. If they paid everyone a living wage do you know how many more people would be employed and healthy by them if they were open on sundays? They are popular and people want to eat there. I want that, and that creates jobs.

Actually you are not good at couch shrinking at all. I have a very clear anti-normal bias. The more popular and normal something gets, the more I tend to dislike it. I complained in media central because I hate harry potter. It was pointed out by @14thDoctor in a rather astute observation that I dislike harry because he is the jock normal hero for the wizard world. Even when I am representing female I am often very abnormal. There are certain normalcies like enjoying sexy, but I do not like make up at all, and I get all sorts of freaky. I do not do female casual and blend in.

That is your purile projection and it is wrong. I will say that I often claim that trans people want to normalize and not be considered trans or freaks. That is not me. I am drag queen show off fashion, but even there I am not typical drag queen style.

because stepping out of my comfort zone helps me grow, and many of the values I had foisted upon me as a child have proven either false or harmful after actual experience.

you loved your niece until you found out she loved another woman...


as for dignity being extended... I work with the homeless, so at the most basic level it means treating them like human beings with names and lived experiences. And much like the discussion about "respect" earlier... I'm not so narcissistic as to believe others must perform some way to "earn" mine whilst all the while offering up theirs in supplication.

That is a huge warning. That sort of thing is along the horrors of scientology disconnect policy. You should never hold family love hostage in such an emotional manipulation like that. That is like a person threatening to commit suicide if you leave them. Just letting a person know that is emotionally abusive and will lead to resentment.

To the lonely squire and other right wingers, that hurts everyone. I do not want to be estranged from my grandfather. That is on him because he adopted the hateful fascist conservative catholic views. I can't even go look at him anymore because of all the horrible hate and abuse he has thrown at everyone. What is even worse is he was so bible bashing catholic, but he never went to church because he was always womanizing, beating people up, drinking, and being a bully. He stopped going because the priests made him angry for suggesting he try to tone it the fuck down. We know they do not do much on that level. That man hated chomos and let his own father sexually molest his daughter. Her brought her to him knowing she was crying and complaining about her abuse.

My mom gets angry at me because I need drugs to sit in the same room with that feeble POS and not rant at him in his helpless state like he ranted at her and abused her after raising her to be abused by her own grandfather. The demon comes out if I have to take care of him. I can only let him sit there and waste away when I can distract myself with family at holidays. I won't put myself alone with him anymore because I know where I lose it and I do not respect his life. I realize that hate is back there.

That is the sort of hate your mental abuse brings about. Your children and their children will have to struggle with the anger and hate of you for being abusive to them. They will hurt because it is natural for them to recognize your presence in raising them, and that breeds an emotional loving attachment to an abuser. You chose your abusive religion over them. Dude, I am pretty sure you have abused them or have allowed them to be abused. That is vile.

I can live in society knowing you exist. However, I am not going to be forced to do anything beyond the simple social contract for you. I am not going to hunt people like you down, except where you violate the law in actually abusing people that there is evidence of, but I do not want to be anywhere near you as a friend or friendly. You disgust me and make me want to vomit, and I am actually quite ok with you feeling the same about me. As long as neither of us is actually harming people then your vominous presence is not going to make me ever assault, stalk, or harm you. I do not believe that Nazis deserve to be punched until they act upon their illegal ideas and views, and the same goes for you.

I do not agree with harry potter, but if I was invited to a harry potter party I would go. I do not agree with christianity, but I have been to their celebrations and participated in a loving and respecting way. I do not believe in monogamy but I still celebrate my friend's relationships and marriages.

I had swinger fiends and I really believed that polygamy lead to some real problems with relationships and how can you really love equally along all of those different dynamics. I even have said it was dangerous in the past and warned against it. But when my friends did it and made children and families with it I shut the fuck up and supported them. Because it is their lives to achieve or fail in. It is not the end of the world if we are supportive and caring and that relationship goes sour. Things will be ok if we all help catch people if they fall and have safety nets.

And OMG was I wrong to ever worry about their relationships. They are fucking chugging along with a huge family unit that catches each other when they fall and is there for the kids. Will it work out that way all the time? I would say no, but it is not destined to fail. express your concerns and then shut up and be supportive.

Their soups and Cobb salad are all really good too. KFC isn't as good as it was decades ago. Getting a bucket back in the 70s/80s was so great. Roy's was good too but KFC was better, imo.

No idea what 90% of what you wrote means, nor do I care know. But I think Harry Potter is stupid. Maybe we can agree on that.

I still love my niece, but don't have to embrace her lifestyle to prove it. By the way, her parents are very left of center, and while they're supportive of her they're also very disappointed.

well, no... you don't have to start an encounter group with other extended relatives of young gay married couples.

it would look kinda decent on you to acknowledge her and her partner though, along with the commitment they're making. Obviously they don't need your validation, but if you love her... well, maybe consider what the notion of love means to you?

That's lovely about her parents (although wonder why the disappointment?). I have a cousin who's a devout christian conservative... used to send me little inspirational bookmarks and everything. she's also been in a domestic partnership (heh) with the same woman for well over 30 years.

"had to subject my daughter to" doesn't suggest you're encouraging your daughter to make her own mind up.

I've acknowledged her partner and done so very nicely. But acknowledge an unholy union? Nope, not going to do that.

I think her parents are disappointed they won't have a grandchild from her. At least not in the traditional manner.

Disappointed? That their creation actually has a mind of her own and that she is separate from her parents. Yea, I can see how your family would view that as a disappointment.

You can't see how parents would be bummed out that they probably won't have grandchildren, at least from their daughter?

Pretend her womb is blighted, and move on.

No. If their only reason for having a child is for that child to give them grandchildren, they’re selfish assholes who deserve neither child or grandchild.