Active shooter Las Vegas

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  1. K.

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    It is not the same logic. Guns are logically connected to shooting a person. Being gay is in no way logically connected to molesting a child.
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  2. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    "He's a got a new kind of mean in him".

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  3. Paladin

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    Being gay is logically connected to being a gay child molester.

    Being a Muslim is logically connected to being an Islamic terrorist.

    Drinking alcohol is logically connected to being a drunk driver.

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  4. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    But it's totally logically connected to being gay and molesting a child. Ya see? Ya See? You can't have one without the other. :ramen:
  5. Paladin

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    I guess you all aren't reading what I'm writing.

    Being gay is logically connected to molesting children of the same sex.
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  6. Diacanu

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    Logically, your face has been in your mother's pussy when you were born, but it's not cool to try to win an argument with it.
    The moral blowback ain't worth it.
    That has to be factored into the logic sometimes, Spock.
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  7. K.

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    Sane people don't care whether a child molester is gay, because molesting kids is always wrong.

    Sane people don't care whether a terrorist is a Muslim, because terrorism is always wrong.

    Sane people DO care whether a driver is drunk, because driving drunk is wrong whereas driving isn't.
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  8. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    You can molest a child without being gay. You can't shoot someone without a gun. :shrug:
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  9. Paladin

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    But you can't molest a child of the same sex without being gay.

    And you can't be an Islamic terrorist without being a Muslim.

    And you can't be a drunk driver without drinking alcohol.
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  10. Forbin

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    Gun ownership is an ideology. To insult gun owners is no different than insulting any other ideology, up to and including religion. It is bigotry against an ideology.
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  11. Diacanu

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    Yeah you can.
    Anyone can do anything if they're skeevie enough.
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  12. K.

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    That is both spectacularly untrue and as spectacularly besides the point as your original deflection. Sane people don't care whether a child is molested by a person of the same or another sex, because child molestation is always wrong.
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  13. Diacanu

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    So, if I bought a gun, I'd have to learn all the lingo, and buy the magazines, and wear chamo, and hang out with other range shooting dickheads?
    I couldn't just pack it away in the dresser drawer to shoot burglars and/or my wife's lover?

    Geez, who knew guns were like skateboards in the 90's?
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  14. K.

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    You might want to look up 'ideology'. Ideologies are always wrong, and it is perfectly alright to insult ideologies. Religions are not generally ideologies (though a small subset of religious beliefs are also ideological).
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  15. Paladin

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    Misusing a gun is always wrong. So what? To own a gun is not to misuse a gun and it's wrong to suggest otherwise.
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    Bullshit. Most molestors of children are NOT openly gay men. They are straight, married to women, and involved in coaching, youth ministry, or some other profession that gives them access to children.
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  17. Paladin

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    Didn't say otherwise.
    "Straight" (in scare quotes) means "gay."
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  18. Diacanu

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    All the lesbians in porn are real lesbians.
    The Pornhub tab said so.
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  19. K.

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    The 'So what?' is your attempt to gloss over the massive hateful bigotry against gay and trans people expressed in the original fallacy.

    And opposing sensible gun control is wrong, because a lack of such control encourages and increases the likelihood of murder.
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  20. K.

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    No. 'Gay' does not mean 'deviant'. 'Gay' means 'gay'.
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  21. Paladin

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    Didn't say that.
    So does "straight" when it's in ironic quotes.
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  22. Fisherman's Worf

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    Simply owning an object is not an ideology. I own shoes and socks, but that's not an ideology. Believing that you have a right to own certain objects may be part of a larger ideology, but in and of itself is not an ideology. I believe I have a right to own shoes and socks, as well as many other objects of personal property, and together that constitutes one aspect of my ideology. There is a spectrum of ideologies among gun owners, just as there is a spectrum of ideologies among owners of shoes and socks.
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  23. K.

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    No. It doesn't. It can mean hundreds of different things, and in this case it meant 'pedophile'. 'Pedophile' is not a case of 'gay'.
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  24. Paladin

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    It is if you're only attracted to children of the same sex.
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  25. Forbin

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    Speaking of idiotic analogies...
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  26. Diacanu

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    No, guns are special, because the second amendment was written by Moses with unicorn blood.
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  27. Quincunx

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    I thought better of the quotes. Being straight or gay is a social identity, a public persona. Most child molestors would self-identify as straight.
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  28. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Again, ownership of one specific object does not constitute an ideology. I encourage you to look up the definition of ideology. And, even assuming arguendo it was an ideology, I encourage you to recognize that there is a difference between an ideology (one's chosen belief system, which can be fluid and changing throughout one's life ) and one's fundamental identity (gender, sexuality, etc. which are immutable characteristics). Again, I'm not saying one cannot be a bigot against gun owners, but there is a world of difference between bigotry against gun owners and bigotry against one's gender or sexuality.
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  29. K.

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    No, it's not. Everything about that is wrong. Even the word 'attracted' has a different meaning when describing a child molester's relation to their victim, as opposed to a gay person's relation to a significant other. Those are in no way the same thing.
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  30. Forbin

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    I can agree with that last sentence, but if gun ownership is a belief system, bigotry against it can be as hateful a thing as bigotry against, say, a religion.
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