Adam Smith was Wrong

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  1. MiniBorg

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    Slutty Monkey Prostitutes!
    There's a lot of interesting stuff here, but I just highlighted the stuff about prostitution in monkeys.
     
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  2. Leellana

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    Wow.....those little guys are smart.
     
  3. MiniBorg

    MiniBorg Bah Humbug

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    I was watching "Dawkins on Darwin" (a documentary on Darwin shown here a few months ago), and they mentioned in passing that we share more genetic material with chimps than donkeys do with horses. And donkeys and horses can mate.

    Didn't say anything past that, but that's a fascinating fact.
     
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    Oh yeah in my biology class last year, my prof said that there are only a couple of genes that are different. I'm still wondering where the "Missing Link" is though. And if we'll ever find it.
     
  5. bryce

    bryce Optimism - It's Back!

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    The Third Chimpanzee
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    And some scientists have argued that humans would be better re-classified from "Homo sapiens" to "Pan sapiens" or "Homo troglodytes" to better reflect our relation to chimps/bonobos...or that chimps & bonobos should be reclassified as "Homo paniscus", "Homo sylvestris", or "Homo arboreus"...
     
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    What missing link?
    We and chimps are descended from a species that is no longer around, you mean that one?
     
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    Oh you are right. That's another thing I learned last year......and then promptly forgot.....Geez......I stand corrected. *bows to Dan*
     
  8. bryce

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  9. bryce

    bryce Optimism - It's Back!

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    Eh, no biggie, it's a very very common mistake.

    Back when geology was first pointing to an old Earth, and fossils pointed to changes in species over time, and the idea that humans descended from ape-like ancestors was new, people talked about a "missing link" between "lower forms" and man, or betweem apes and man.

    Since then we have found quite a few transitional fossils, and transistional hominid forms, but the idea of a "missing link" is still very firmly entrenched in our popular culture. In fact, I still hear that phrase used quite a lot. I even used it myself before I took a class in evolutionary biology in college.

    And there are doubtless many transitional forms, or links, in-between the transitional fossils we have found so far - links that we have yet to find, and may never find because not all animals get fossilized. And sometimes even scientists use the term "missing link" to refer to those forms.

    In fact, when Tiktaalik (a link between fish and land animals) was found a little while ago, both the press and even the scientists who found it referred to it as a "missing link". (Even National Geographic called it "a missing link"!)

    So like "the Dark Side of the Moon", the "God particle", the mitochondrial "Eve", and George Smoot's "the Face of God"...we aren't gonna stop using that misnomer anytime soon either!


    (I hope that didn't come off as too pedantic... :unsure: )
     
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    Really? I thought there is a mitochondrial Eve.....tell me more about this. :unsure:
     
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    There is, she lived in west Africa about 160,000 years ago (IIRC) she is the closest woman in history who is related to everyone alive today.
    There is also a y-chromosomal Adam who is the closeest man in history who is the ancestor of everyone alive today, he lived in west africa some 60-80,000 years ago (again IIRC)
     
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    Yes, but some people in the popular culture have used this term to imply science has found the Biblical Eve, and that's not what the theory says:

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    Nor was she the only living female at the time...nor did George Smoot really see the literal "face of God" in teh COBE data, and the Higgs Boson is not what God is made of..

    Those things, unfortunately, all have been given titles that lead to popular misconceptions.
     
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  13. Leellana

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    Oh yes, I remember when "they" started talking about this. It's a pretty fascinating subject.
     
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    Amusing. Reminds me of this piece I saw on the Wall Street Journal website yesterday:

     
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    "Once, a capuchin in the testing chamber picked up an entire tray of tokens, flung them into the main chamber and then scurried in after them -- a combination jailbreak and bank heist -- which led to a chaotic scene in which the human researchers had to rush into the main chamber and offer food bribes for the tokens, a reinforcement that in effect encouraged more stealing."

    :lol:

    And like good liberals they bribe the monkeys to get the money back and only make them steal more. ;)

    They should have taken the monkey who started the theft, tied him up in the middle of the cell and shot him in the head and left him there for a few days. I'd bet no monkey would steal after that.

    :ramen:
     
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    Summerteeth agrees: You meanie.

    But you know I'm right......

    ;)
     
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  17. bryce

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  18. Volpone

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    Haven't finished the article yet or read any of the posts, but this paragraph:
    Made me laugh so hard my eyes watered. :rotfl:
     
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    CheekyMonkey would've loved this thread. :(
     
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    The origin of that was that Higgs described it as "that goddamned particle", his publisher edited the 'damned' bit out, and lo, the God Particle was named.

    Going to be a whole lot of fun when no one finds it :D
     
  21. Clyde

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    No, no that was a good post, shame it ended with a "Scientists don't really believe in god" message tacked on.


    Of course you realize this only strengthens the case for you being a Dan Leach dual.
     
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    I just realized that the only thing more disturbing than this 3 year old article would be the news that we'd also recently sent astronaut Charlton Heston off in a new interplanetary spacecraft.
     
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    Interesting fact we now think Europeans did population Americas along with population due to genetic anayalisis .