On a serious note, who didn't see this coming? It's a sad day when 20 years, billions of dollars in military and foreign aid, and tens of thousands of lost lives pretty much amount to nothing.
Everyone saw it coming, but apparently stationing troops in a country forever to act as a deterrent and prevent disaster is good enough for Korea and Germany, but not Afghanistan.
How were arrogant, narrow minded assholes who thought the history of what happens to countries that invade Afghanistan didn’t apply to us. We could have gotten Osama early on and got out, if that had been the real plan, but it never was.
American forces were holding the Taliban at bay just fine until two consecutive presidents decided to abandon the country just for the hell of it.
@14thDoctor why do you seem to be all for fighting in afganistan? I know I am going to regret asking this question.
The main thing people and "empires" have always failed to understand about Afghanistan is that it's not a country. It's an area. The locals want nothing more than to do their thing and be left alone, and woe betide anyone who tries to impose on them. Had we just gone in and bagged Osama, tipped our hats, and left, it would have been cool. Hell, if we hadn't turned our backs on the place after helping the mujaheddin kick the Soviets out it would have been cool. We could have sent aide and advisors, dug wells, built schools and hospitals, and been great friends to the Afghans. Instead, with typical short-term thinking . . .
The "plan" was for America's obvious moral superiority to be a beacon of democracy for those ignorant, brown-skinned savages who would be scattering rose petals in front of our soldiers as they marched in, whilst offering their virgin daughters in gratitude.
FFS. This is such BS. There are areas in the US - hell, in Illinois, not even 100 miles from where I am is, I've been told, very much like Deliverance. There are places in West Virginia and Kentucky even local people don't go. It's not just about an area and people wanting to be left alone. This is the kind of thinking where the Bush administration went wrong. It's where the US went wrong in Southeast Asia. Winning a land war isn't about understanding the people, it's about understanding the terrain and having the right equipment for it. People who live there, have the right equipment. Billions of dollars to arms dealers won't win the war. It just makes arms dealers billionaires.
So... your argument is that the supposed human beings that live in Afghanistan are somehow superior to the rest of humanity in that they are superhuman and can survive modern bombs and bullets? Yea. It's Jenee. and you might want to listen.
OMFG wow. Afganistan is not a threat to the US in any way shape or form. They cannot invade us. We have no business there at all. They are not our property. We are not the world police.
Bin Laden happened to be there. Afghanistan itself had fuck all to do with it. But we can't invade Saudi Arabia, can we?
And? we up airport security and we watch for terrorists. We don't try to take over a country because a few of their meatheads went all psycho bomber. Under your law we should be at war with arkansas.
Because the Taliban provided him sanctuary. And now the Taliban are on the verge of taking over the entire country again.
So? You know we can just block people coming from there or watch them when they leave, right? You know there has not been any real hijacking since 9/11 because of new security measures? Why do we need to keep at war with the taliban at this point? Haven't we gotten our revenge killings thousands of times over?
Yes. They didn't give him the funds to pay for the flying lessons, or the US contacts. They gave him a bolthole. They're the drug-addled rapists whose house the assassin used whilst planning, then fucked off to the better-organised gang down the road (Pakistan) once he'd shot the target. They're scum, but 9/11 didn't hinge on them in any way, shape or form. Half a dozen other countries in that region alone Bin Laden could have picked. The US just did the legwork by making him a hero in the area against the Russians.
The decisions of the past can't be changed. We're responsible for the decisions we make today. And, apparently, we've decided that letting the absolute worst of humanity--religious zealots who will see their victory as an approving sign from God--seize control of Afghanistan is the best thing to do. This country has just opened the door to unimaginable suffering and, I expect, to a future return military engagement.
Don't fucking kid yourself. The decisions of the past can't be changed but we can still hold folk responsible. You're not getting off that fucking easily. Your support of Trump nearly put a dangerous religious cult in charge of the USA. You fucking WISH we'd only hold you responsible for the present.
He didn't say "only responsible for the decisions we make today." If that's what he meant, then yes, he's a turd.
Yup. It's infuriating, and a slap in the face to the families that lost people there for over a decade just so America could get bored and leave one day. I wouldn't put the Taliban at quite the same level as the Nazis or ISIS, but they're extremely close. They're a force of evil and barbarism that can't be reasoned with, a cancer upon humanity, and if keeping that cancer from spreading means having a military force stationed there for the next few decades just to keep them too afraid to make the first move, then so be it.
It is just an excuse to blow up muslims. Knowing the people here who want this shows both sides of the R and D fight are full of bigots who just want to go pound those muslims into the dirt because they think of them as sand niggers. It is the same dehumanizing hate as the nazis and white nationalists have. Another year or decade of staying wont change anyone's mind over there. Killing thousands more of them won't teach them any more lessons than we already have. The lesson is over, stop abusing the people of that land. Put your flapping dick away.
