So, over in the fascist He-Man thread.. https://wordforge.net/index.php?threads/fascist-he-man.121818/ ...Anc linked to a screenshot of a post by Storm where he praised the Taliban for killing pedophiles. So I did some Googling, and yes, Bacha Bazi was a thing, and yes, the Taliban cracked down on it. But only because it was GAY pedophilia. The Taliban have got no problem sexually enslaving underage girls. Straight pedophilia vs gay pedophilia, you're damned if you do, and and you're damned if you don't in Afghanistan. All the more reason to get the fuck out of there. I did find it interesting almost all the outrage over Bacha Bazi was from right-wing sources, and only since the pull-out.
It isn't "only" the Taliban, but it's certainly not most Afghans, and there is a spectrum. Here is some data. It certainly has very little to do with why the American-imposed regime fell. Which is precisely why TPTB want us to focus on it.
Indeed. Extremism is one end of a spectrum but where the rest of the population fall on that spectrum is a significant factor in determining the support available.
Actually, we just want the red states to go back to American culture and leave their bullshit behind. Here's the thing, and Biden was right. The Afghan military was never going to stand up to the Taliban. And if after 20 years they haven't gotten it, they never will. It's the same here on January 6. The police officer who did let their weapons down and allowed the insurgents inside the capitol were co-conspirators. If the Taliban is going to lay down arms and not fight for themselves, the only thing we can do is help get as many victims out of there as we can. Half the US military are trump supporting asses anyway, so they are only over there so they can fuck with people. That's not help.
All this is true. There should have been a clear plan before we entered. Heck, it's arguable that we shouldn't have gone in to start with. It's my opinion, diplomacy should always be the first decision. Period. No other option. Then, if diplomatic avenues can't be laid, then the UN should handle these kinds of situation. This isn't just a US thing. The entire world needs to make this happen so all people can feel safe regardless of where in the world they are.
America has some pretty decent laws regarding women's rights. We have the Dems pitching Bloomberg and Cuomo in the past year as heroes despite tons of complaints of sexual abuse. The biggest female political talk show out there had it's progressive women swooning over these two men while knowing they were abusing women. They defended these men and have been smearing the women who came forward. That is not even talking about rape a bitch joe. On the other side we have women who are praising trump after he said it was OK to grab women by the pussy and seemed to like doing it. Women get paid less than men for the same work, and we have women who feel that is just the way it should be because men are better. We have large numbers of women who are part of the hebrew faith, christian, and muslim despite their holy books flat out saying women are lesser beings than men and good men should beat them like animals. We have large numbers of women who want men to control their bodies for the children only they can make. Women still make excuses and attack other women who are raped by the local sports team, or at some party. We have young women who want change being attacked by their mothers and karens all over the place. Oddly those same older women were the ones who burned their bras years ago and now have settled down and become their mothers. And you people seem to be confused into thinking the afgan women living in a god delusion much thicker than america somehow are not fighting against their own self interests like conservative religious women in america? America isn't even this great place where women are liberated and equal. America is not a place where women are all on the same page about being equal to men. Is it really that hard to believe thew afgan women are just not that into progressive ideas of america? Is it really that hard to believe those women are seeing their children and land blown up by random american bombings for 2 decades might just be quietly wishing death upon their armed occupiers because they are afraid they will kill or drag their children off? This idea that everyone is just wanting to be america shows a rather shortsighted view of a small minority of people who think they are god's gift to the world.
How do you reconcile trump making a deal that led to this situation, then blame Biden for it happening?
She was supposed to be Afghanistan's first female Paralympian. Now, the Taliban has turned her dream into a "nightmare."
1. Trump put the plan in place but Biden executed it after the situation changed. Biden already changed the date, and the Taliban had broken the deal. Biden was IN NO WAY constrained by Trump's earlier agreement. 2. Biden and team apparently couldn't foresee the calamity as recently as a few weeks ago. They were completely ignorant and disconnected from the situation on the ground. 3. Either Biden got bad advice or he went against good advice. In either case, this is all on Biden.
Holding women and minorities and gays down is American culture, until quite recently. Red states just want to turn back the clock like the Taliban is doing right now. But it's different when it's happening in your own backyard, right? That's something worth opposing. No, Lanzman was right. America or whoever needed to stay for at least 50 years, and if it had stuck around and done the right thing after pushing out the Soviets, they'd be a lot closer to the finish line today.
It's my understanding there was no legal reason for Biden to go against trump's ridiculous deal. If you have a legal reason he could have done so - without solely blaming Biden - please share. That is not American culture. American culture has always been liberal and tolerant. Allowing southern states to keep slaves was only ever going to be a temporary measure and only allowed so that they would sign the declaration of independence. This is why the union adamantly refused to allow the southern states to withdraw. They knew going in that slavery would eventually end and they fought against it. As for women, we moved forward the same as the rest of Europe. Same with LGBT. There's an old saying that goes something like the most ignorant have the loudest voices. Unfortunately for most Americans, that's true. Not all of us are ignorant assholes.
The Taliban broke the deal. But even if you (wrongly) believe Biden was locked into leaving (he had already changed the date), you must acknowledge that he and his team very, very badly misread the situation (calling the outcome we're experiencing virtually impossible just weeks ago) and that they've failed to course correct the unfolding disaster.
Oh, I agree EVERYTHING since 2001 has been mishandled. That's not the point. Biden was able to postpone the date. But, was not able to renege on the deal.
If you read Pence’s CYA op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal you’d think everything in Afghanistan was peaches and cream when Trump left office. Pence goes on to explain that was because they put the fear of god in the Taliban. Any reneging on the deal would be met with severe consequences! Basically, tell me you want to stay in Afghanistan and dump more money down the hole without telling me you want to stay in Afghanistan and dump more money down the hole. Pence is deflecting from what we all knew, which is that the Taliban would come back to power. You can blame Biden for how quickly that happened, but to act as if some dignified disengagement was around the corner is total garbage.
Or to put it in a way Muricans might understand: A lot of righties hated Trump as a person but plugged their noses (allegedly) because he could get butts into SCOTUS seats to end abortion. @Dayton3 is an example of this.
And, again, even if you really believe that, you still have to acknowledge that Biden and co. completely failed to see and mitigate the disaster that's unfolded.
I. Don't. Fucking. Care. "but people will say mean stuff about us if we do the right thing!" is the most pathetic copout I've heard in years. America fucked Afghanistan out of a brighter future by pushing out the Soviets and leaving the country to the Taliban. America had a moral and ethical obligation to fix what they broke in the first place. Fuck Joe Biden and Fuck every American that thinks it's okay to just walk away from the disaster America created there.
Fuck your worthless moral relativism. I'm a Canadian, and too many of my fellow Canadians fought and bled and died to help make Afghanistan a safer, better place for it's people just so America could throw away everything they suffered for because America got bored.
Yeah, but I doubt a whole lot of Afghan politicians/military leaders/tribal leaders/warlords are 20 and under.
Sure, but the point is: a great many Afghans have never lived under the Taliban before. They're not "going back to it."
