It just hit me that having women in your group makes you more likely to attract a herd - zombies smell the menstral cycle!
Finally got to see this weeks episode. I really like the negotiation scenes (inside and outside) - the "standing and talking" objection aside. They did right by making the "professor" and the ballplayer sympathetic characters (I rather enjoyed the showboating with the softball bat) Am I the only one who thinks that when the Governor's hash is eventually settled that the professor will end up with Rick's group? He's too potentially good a character to waste. Also, I'm amazed at what they've managed to do in fleshing out Merle. We're actually getting to the point where Everyone seems like they have their particular trope that they are playing to and while some might find that cliched, I like it. Herschel as the "elder" who advises the king Rick as the "Hamlet" who can't quite reach the King Arthur status Daryl as the Lancealot/Huntsman Lt. Michone as the ninja/samari lone warrior. Carl as the heir to the throne Merle as the warrior you don't completely trust (and troubled brother of the lancelot character) Add in the Professor dude who you can evolve into asort of "wizard" and all you need is a princess...Andrea? Glenn i guess is more or less the stand in for "the people" but he's the one major character I can't really place into a "classic" role Maybe I'm the only one who enjoys stories like this better when I can frame them like this but it works for me...
I don't see it, personally. He seems too one-dimensional. Milquetoast bookish dude without any power who bristles at what he sees going on, but can't do a thing about it. They need people to kill off in the season finale, and I'm guessing that he's one of them!
[?= comic book stuff that might spoil the shows next episode]He looks like he's a stand in for the doctor in the comic books that helps Michonne and a couple others escape but he himself is killed by a Zombie during the escape. So I'm betting the guy in the show is a deadman walking since it looks like he may be helping Andrea and Tyreese escape.[/?]
What struck me most about this last episode was how the Woodbury folks ain't all that bad and would be happy to live in peace if it wasn't for the Governor. It was fun watching them find common ground with Rick's group. Speaking of The Governor, he is simply batshit insane. He is using his charisma to drive his citizens to fear and war, when if left alone it's clear they would be perfectly happy to live in peace. And if there's one thing to be learned by this episode, never trust anyone promises peace with conditions attached.
Aye. Rick and the Governor would rather fight each other than keep their people safe. Most everybody else doesn't want to hurt anybody. BTW, if I were Rick at this point I'd [?=Spoiler]hand over Michone to the Governor, then have a good chuckle when she goes all River Tam on him.[/?]
[?=Huge comic book spoilers] That's the rig he raped Michonne with. Some baaad shit's about to go down.[/?]
Either way..question is do they kill the Guv'na in the finale or does he pull a Merle and comes back in a season or two?
[?=Comic book spoiler about Governor]In the comic book he is killed by one of his own people during the attack on the prison because he kills Lori and the baby and that angers them.[/?] I don't think the Governor makes it to next season. It's time to start getting the group on the road again to the new place. Letting him come back next season would drag it out and endanger the show which is almost what happened with the whole searching for Sophia thing.
I think it's time the group got bigger. Also bring in some government guys, good or bad. Let's start exploring the sci-fi side of it.
Damn, well so much for Merle. Don't know if anyone picked up the absolute anger on Daryl's part. Looks like the show is gonna do next week what I mentioned. That is evac the prison, let the guv'na hit it, and mean time A) ambush the guv'na's forces from the flanks B) take over Woodbury C) take off for parts unknown. My guess is B because of a glimmer of a fight scene we saw.
We also saw them march unopposed into the prison. So, I'm guessing they left the prison boobytrapped.
Did some thinking this morning. This episode was done so subtly, the power within it may wind up being missed by many. Here is Merle who had a shitty childhood, he has no positive role models or support. He had to figure everything out on his own. On top of that he had to raise a baby brother. Merle had to learn making snap decisions and lived by reacting, not by planning and looking forward. He winds up blaming outside forces for his shitty state of life. To a degree he is right. However he never took the next step to change. He was after a fashion comfortable with things as they were. So here comes Rick with the quick and easy solution. Merle is smart enough to know that it's a decision that Rick, who he sees as having a different morality, will back out of. He doesn't see that different moral code as being better, just weaker. So on impulse he reacts and takes action. Michonne eventually manages to get into his head though. Probably one of the few instances in his life where any one has tried to talk to him like that. Well it works. He re-discovered that he may have been a total asshole pre-viral outbreak, but he wasn't a murderer. It's only after the outbreak, after being manipulated by the Guv'na that he becomes one. This realization of manipulation makes him furious. Furious as being manipulated and furious at what he has become. He decides he wants to atone for his sins. However his short sightedness again strikes. He can't forgive himself. He automaticaly discounts the concept of going back to the guys and saying "hey I fucked up big time, but I realized it and stopped myself. Here is how we can take out the guv'na once and for all." Instead he goes off on another tear. His plan was right in concept, but short on details and poor in execution. If he had done the same plan, but this time with others from the prison to help him, they would have been able to end the Woodbury threat once and for all. Since we're dealing with a sci-fi show think of another series that had an episode of the wasted redemption. Start Trek's "The Doomsday Machine." Darryl's stabbing of Merle communicated so much emotion it wasn't even funny. You normally see that level of violence when the attacker dearly loves the victim but snaps. In this case he didn't snap in the criminal way. He was, IMO, excising all of the demons he had that were caused by Merle over the years. Darryl after all was / is a good kid / guy at his core. He wants to do right, he wants to trust people. He just didnt know how, not with Merel as a role model. He saw an opportunity with the group for that, took it, and is learning how. He resents Merle for how he raised him. He resents Merle for being a part of the Guv'nas group. He hates him for always causing pain and misery. Look at the schism that developed between Darryl and the group once Merle joined up. He wants normal. He hates Merle for always screwing things up. At the same time he loves his brother. No one but his brother was there for them all of those years. Until the group showed up Merle was the only one that gave a damn about Darryl. So part of Darryl's violent destruction of walker Merle was obliterating the monster in an effort to redeem his beloved brothers memory. The more I think about this, the more I realize how powerful this episode was. In fact the more I think about it, the more I think the death of Merle was a waste of a great plot device / literary tool. This was a character that would have been a great focus for a redemption story line over the next couple of seasons. Darryl doesn't really cut the mustard as he was never really "bad" on his own.
^^^ Very well said and spot on analysis. but as much as I loved the way they were writing Merle's process of dealing with his demons and his "place in the world" I wouldn't call this a waste, just a choice between two good options. You can either (a) maximize the Merle story; or (b) take Daryl to the next level by giving him deliverance from his own internal struggles in one bold moment. either works for me. ETA - for all the discussion of "I want lots of action and zombie wars" - n my view this season actually provided the payoff i've been waiting for from this series and it was NOT in killing walkers but rather in making me CARE about these people. I didn't like the "Crazy Rick" detour but otherwise, they've been killing it in the character development department, and it was long overdue.
[?=Comic book spoilers] This played out much differently in the comics. Rick never saw the ghost, but carried "the haunted phone", around with him, until Carl figured out what he was doing, and told him to fuckin' cut it out. Several issues were devoted to just this. The show has veered off so differently, it's not much of a spoiler, but...you never know... [/?]
[?=other] And as I remember Michonne caught him and they both called out each other. His talking on the phone and her talking to her dead family[/?]