Atheists DO Go to Heaven

Virtually every bit of history and scientific knowledge that you know is "what some other human being told you".

Which is fine, because scientists and historians don't claim to have magical powers.

The history and scientific knowledge we are being told about has been proven.

For a man who likes to think he is smart, you sure are dimwitted. Even with all those old magazines you read.

Case closed.

en toto, too?

Toto too.

Proven by whom?

Unless you've done the original research, it was all done by "some other human being" who then "told you".

So what you're saying is that your entire "career" as a history teacher is a worthless joke.

Well done, stupid.

No science labs when you were in school?

On the contrary. A great deal of what I teach is based on original research on my part. Which is one reason I specialize in the Cold War.

I actually have a copy of a pamphlet mailed by the Soviet embassy to a friendly domestic organization in the U.S. in 1983.

You have a time machine?

I have the next best thing.

Documentation from people involved in that era.

Not to mention, direct experience with the last one third of the Cold War and access to people who fought in various portions of the Cold War (Korea, Vietnam).

Fair point.

I don't teach about Ireland. Aside in the World War One section and about the impact of the potato on world history.

Are you deliberately trying to make every thread about yourself by being as stupid as humanly possible? Fuck off.

What is stupid about not giving a damn about Ireland?

That probably includes millions.....

Dayton the retard.

And with a straight face Christians try to spread it as the "Good News".

Every November we have a family tradition where my family gets together to make the Christmas fruitcake. One with no nuts since my sister doesn't like them, and one with extra nuts which I take. So not all fruitcakes are nutty.

I'm not entirely sure what the point of that story is, but I have an inkling there is one buried in it somewhere.

Which conveniently frees you from having to ask any pesky questions.

It's a common double standard, where God can be
judged as good by human standards, but not by bad standards. That's not uniform however, I seem to recall Asyncritus at least has expressed it's a silly double standard.

Be honest.

If you were a god, would you believe that you should be subject to the judgments and standards of grossly inferior beings?

Do you ask your dog if he thinks you are doing the moral thing?

No, but then, I've never had my dog tortured to death, so there are obviously some other differences between me and the Judeo-Christian god.

Does such a dick deserve respect? Blindly? Without proof?

Funny, but not correct.

The bad news is that the default state of everyone is damnation.

The good news is that there's a way out at all, and that way is Jesus Christ.

Then your marketing team needs to get a prod, because that isn't how the message is being spread, well apart from crazy street preachers. Unless someone is holding a placard, an attempt at conversion always seems to start with some variation of "have you heard the good news"

Wait... I am not getting from your post what actually IS wrong with the message. If they're starting out with the good news, what's the problem?

Wouldn't it simply be easier for God to wipe out all of humanity and start again after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit? I mean, its not like he wasn't planning on wiping the whole of humanity out anyway, ya know? He had to have known that he was going to drown everybody (save Noah & co.) and then wipe everyone else out later on. Seems more compassionate (as well as economical) to just kill two people, rather than killing billions more over thousands of years.

Because "good news, you thought that people just ceased to exist while they di, when actually they live forever, some of them in heaven!"

Any attempt to dress up a perception of reality which includes hell as "Good News" is disturbing as can be.

I'll ask you a hypothetical, disregarding what you believe to be true, where would you rather live? A universe identical to ours as it is now, where everyone ceases to exist when they die, or one identical to ours as it is now where after death some people go to hell and some go to heaven?

If someone is actually gonna go to hell when they die, how is bad to tell them about it and give them the way out?

Your POV only makes sense if you truly believe the fiction that people really only cease to exist when they die and my religiosity is all make believe.

What good what it do?

We live in the world we have, not the world we want. And I am totally happy with that.

Ok, actually I will answer your question. I would never, ever, want to live in a world that didn't have the possibility of heaven. Fortunately I don't have to.

That's messed up. I'm sorry this world hasn't been good enough for you.

Let's have this conversation again in 5000 years.

They probably lied to you.