Atlas Shrugged

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Nova, Feb 7, 2010.

  1. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    49,178
    Ratings:
    +37,548
    Ok, so after hearing so much for so long I finally got this from the local library to see what all the fuss was about and....damn.

    While I have a lot of respect for a lot of Rand's philosophy (not all of it) her writing style is torture to me.

    And I can't imagine I'm going to be able to drag myself through this tome SO....

    for those of you who are RandFans and have read the book, walk me through it - both the plot, and the message being conveyed.

    Spoiler it if you want but please, tell me what I'm supposed to get from this thing so I don't have to torture myself for the next month picking it out of all that bloviation.

    Oh - and if you are a Rand hater, feel free to through out your standard rant - but be advised I don't give a rip for a discussion of the merits of Rand in this thread, I'm just interested in the plot and theme of this particular book.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  2. Lt. Mewa

    Lt. Mewa Rockefeller Center

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    50,129
    Location:
    NYC
    Ratings:
    +9,404

    Whadja read, like 5 pages?! :garamet:

    Read it, homes!! You took it out so now ya gotta finish it! Sheeesh! :jayzus:
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. Volpone

    Volpone Zombie Hunter

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2004
    Messages:
    43,795
    Location:
    Bigfoot country
    Ratings:
    +16,277
    :shrug: Who is John Galt?
  4. Suave Dude

    Suave Dude Fresh Meat

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2010
    Messages:
    130
    Ratings:
    +6
    i read Anthem and loved it, eventhough it painted my beloved soviet union in the wrong.

    this one, however, i just couldn't get into it the way i got into Anthem.
  5. enlisted person

    enlisted person Black Swan

    Joined:
    May 15, 2004
    Messages:
    20,859
    Ratings:
    +3,627
    The only book of hers that I read was Anthem, I thought it was pretty good. Its short, you should try that one Nova.
  6. Yelling Bird

    Yelling Bird Probably a Dual

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    Messages:
    2,866
    Ratings:
    +2,400
    I tried reading the fountainhead a few years ago after reading through some of her nonfiction. It put me to sleep after a few pages. Still, pretty good for writing in a second language.
  7. evenflow

    evenflow Lofty Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    25,051
    Location:
    Where the skies are not cloudy all day
    Ratings:
    +20,614
    Here, let me sum up a 1200 page novel in a couple of paragraphs...

    :moon:
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. Ramen

    Ramen Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    26,115
    Location:
    FL
    Ratings:
    +1,647
  9. RickDeckard

    RickDeckard Socialist

    Joined:
    May 28, 2004
    Messages:
    37,921
    Location:
    Ireland
    Ratings:
    +32,533
    I've been thinking of reading it, but threads like this give me pause. Ignoring the propertarian ideals, which I already know I'll dislike, is it that badly written? And how long is it?
    • Agree Agree x 1
  10. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2008
    Messages:
    15,570
    Location:
    Evil League of Evil Boardroom
    Ratings:
    +11,723
    The writing will make you long for dark and stormy nights.
  11. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2004
    Messages:
    53,665
    Ratings:
    +23,779
    Atlas clinched up and farted. Then he shrugged.
  12. The Handsome Banana

    The Handsome Banana Guest

    Ratings:
    +0
    The unofficial sequel is better, shorter, and more in tune with reality:

    [​IMG]
    • Agree Agree x 1
  13. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    49,178
    Ratings:
    +37,548
    About 30-40.

    Enough to know that I'm not enjoying it.
  14. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    49,178
    Ratings:
    +37,548
    Everyone has different tastes. For me, I find that I can skip PAGES of elaboration and miss almost nothing of the actual story.

    For example (and I'm kind of making this up but it's a general illustration)

    Hank Reardon decides after work to walk home. she spends about 5 pages telling you the sort of man Reardon is, what he thinks of the world, what people think of him, so forth and so on over the course of this walk. nothing is HAPPENING (except a guy walking down a path) and no one is speaking. I much prefer that such information furthers the story. If you can't work it into the sotyline, then give me a preamble where you list the major players and take a couple of paragraphs to describe the background info I need to know. As it is, it just puts a huge drag on the movement of the story.

    It's NOT about a language issue or anything (albeit sometimes I find her dialogue a bit stilted) - it's just that I can't have the course of the story interrupted for several pages of parenthetical exposition that doesn't move the story.
  15. Delaware

    Delaware Fresh Meat Deceased Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2009
    Messages:
    2,264
    Location:
    The Holy Cross
    Ratings:
    +763
    I enjoyed Rand's writing in Atlas Shrugged. The worst part was the excruciatingly redundant speech by John Galt towards the end, but the rest of the book was engrossing (political messages aside).
    • Agree Agree x 1
  16. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2009
    Messages:
    37,536
    Location:
    Land of fruit & nuts.
    Ratings:
    +19,361
    That book is a work of fiction designed to make the simple minded feel better about acting immorally.
  17. evenflow

    evenflow Lofty Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    25,051
    Location:
    Where the skies are not cloudy all day
    Ratings:
    +20,614
    Rational self interest is never immoral.
    • Agree Agree x 4
  18. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Oi

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    31,078
    Ratings:
    +48,041
    Never is a strong word.
  19. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Oi

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    31,078
    Ratings:
    +48,041
    While we're on the subject, "rational self interest" too often leads to "fuck everybody else, I've got mine."

    You can argue that's not immoral, but it's definitely not ethical.
  20. evenflow

    evenflow Lofty Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    25,051
    Location:
    Where the skies are not cloudy all day
    Ratings:
    +20,614
    Bullshit.

    On both counts.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  21. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    101,615
    Ratings:
    +82,712
  22. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    101,615
    Ratings:
    +82,712
  23. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Oi

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    31,078
    Ratings:
    +48,041
    You could probably argue the second point, but if you seriously haven't seen the first point demonstrated on this very board countless times, then you haven't been paying attention.
  24. BearTM

    BearTM Bustin' a move! Deceased Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    27,833
    Ratings:
    +5,276
    It's entirely ethical. It's your belief that others should be forced to believe otherwise that makes you a corrupt piece of shit.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  25. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    101,615
    Ratings:
    +82,712
    Right on schedule.
    :cool:
    • Agree Agree x 1
  26. BearTM

    BearTM Bustin' a move! Deceased Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    27,833
    Ratings:
    +5,276
    Ah, the filth speaks up, right on cue.
  27. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Oi

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    31,078
    Ratings:
    +48,041
    This is where you started making shit up, so this is where I stopped reading.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  28. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    101,615
    Ratings:
    +82,712
    Water off a duck's back, Nazi file clerk.
    :D
  29. BearTM

    BearTM Bustin' a move! Deceased Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    27,833
    Ratings:
    +5,276
    If you were capable of being gainfully employed, I might be impressed.
  30. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    101,615
    Ratings:
    +82,712
    http://www.wordforge.net/showpost.php?p=1927627&postcount=28