Brexit now leading by 10 points

I do wonder why several Americans have such a drastically different view of the 19th century. Perhaps their perspective focuses almost exclusively on Britain (and ignores colonialism altogether)? There's a reason why they called it 'splendid isolation', as long as it lasted, until it didn't.

That's called 'reloading'

From TheLocal.de

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said on Saturday that the EU would weather the shock of the British vote to leave the union as he convened crisis talks.

“I am confident that these countries can also send a message that we won’t let anyone take Europe from us,” he said heading into a meeting in Berlin of his counterparts from the EU’s six founding members.

Okay, let me try this another way. Aurora made a list including many wars that might be described as similar to the recent Ukraine war or the Bosnian war from the 90s. I am not talking about such wars, but since you are, has the EU prevented that variety?

Among its members? Yes, completely. Between its members and other nations? For the most part.

Tell you what, then shit-for-brains:

give an example of either the EU or Obama instituting policies that were pro-economic growth (hell, I'll even take policies that stumbled into a pro-growth result).

Or even reply to the reality of flat or diminishing wage-rate growth in both EU and US. ... ... ...

[Beuller.]

Fucking useless to come back if you've got no content, and just insults - you'll need a mix to rise above the dayton dinners and chups.

You seriously think the European Union has played any role in keeping the peace between its members?

I seriously think it's the main incorporation of peace in Europe, yes. Of course, that doesn't mean there's anything magical about it; it is as much an expression of a change as a force that drives it. But by the same measure, breaking it up is as much a move away from that general spirit of European unity as it is a move away from that specific political structure.

My grandfathers both flew planes in Word War Two, but on different sides. Each was bombing the city my other grandmother lived in -- one pregnant with my Mum, the other having just sent off my Dad to be evacuated, remaining alone with her younger daughter.

That's what Europe was just two generations ago. Now even the small change in my pocket tells a different story.

I could, but why should I bother since you're obviously far too stupid to understand any of it?

Fair enough.

You've chose to be an empty sack of meat, incapable of even sputtering out content with your insults on a level that could bring you up to dinner or dayton. : ( Poor sod.

Strive for mediocrity !!

@markb, we had a whole thread on this once, with lots of discussion about different policy impacts, and Tuttle couldn't do much but insult Obama.

So it follows from this that the EU ought to admit all those other countries, right? Or is that not really the purpose of the EU? Perhaps there are other reasons why France and Germany haven't declared war on each other in the past 75 years.

Yeah, I'm sure a quarter of million American troops stationed in West Germany for 40 years (and one million Russians in East Germany) had nothing to do with it.

Not to mention France suffering a long string of major national reverses (Vietnam, Suez, Algeria).

Eventually, yes, that would be good, if we do it carefully and timely so that it will continue to work. And yes, that is the main purpose of the EU. Of course there are other reasons why parts of Europe are finally at peace; the EU, in fact, isn't a reason at all, but a method. Those other reasons drive the EU. And as I just said to Dayton: Of course the EU alone is not one magical thing that solves all problems in one go; it is as much an expression of a change as a force that drives it. But by the same measure, breaking it up is as much a move away from that general spirit of European unity as it is a move away from that specific political structure.

No doubt. He seems like the perfect case study on whether stupidity is inherent or acquired.

Okay, let Europe splinter.

And let the US splinter too. It seems like many southern states like Texas want to break away and do their own thing (Texit!)

In the end China will be left standing as the only stable superpower.

I dunno, a Tibexit could get China in on the trend.

Texas would never seriously consider leaving the United States. Nor would they be allowed to.

The Spanish PM also made ominous noises.

http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...ajoy-sends-warning-to-scots-on-eu-membership/

BTW The Scottish parliament is now making noises about "blocking" brexit though it is unclear they have the authority to do so. I suspect it is political posturing for a second independence vote.

I stilm think a political social would be a two track Europe ratified by a second vote. That way there are three clear choices (a decentralized membership which mostly amounts to a free trade zone), a close political fast track towards ever closer union, and a total exit. This would also let core states go ahead with closer union but let countries which don't want that to stay part of the free trade zone.

Making it an EU wide vote would help deal with the issue of democratic legitimacy especially if the EC was reformed to become more democratically accountable. I know that is the last thing the EC wants but without democratic accountability there is no legitimacy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-Scots-second-independence-vote-want-it.html

WRT the gambit by the Scottish regional parliament. Notice how the EC is poo-pooing it? The EC is already getting wet and excited about forcing a Federal state on to people withput the UK there to block it so they won't like the idea. Thankfully, if heads of state decide to reform treaties, as it has done in the past, than the dictatorial EC can be bypassed.

Holyrood not agreeing to Brexit has been floated around since about three minutes after the result became known. It's one of the multiple ways out of this quagmire. It's not elegant but it could be effective. Blame the Scots. They can take it and look good while doing so. In fact it just might be the only way this could go without everybody losing the maximum amount of face possible (make no mistake: much face will be lost no matter what happens).

Meanwhile, there's Anarchy in the UK

Wow the butthurt over Brexit is astonishing.

Btw, anyone else think that right now would be a jolly good time for a big, fiery IS terror attack?

I've heard that if Scotland or Northern Ireland voted to secede from the United Kingdom with hopes of rejoining the European Union that Spain would most certainly block their admission as Spain doesn't want to put any ideas into the heads of a secessionist movements in a couple of their regions.

Scotland has gone off the rails

Interesting.

Will El Chup now make multiple posts about getting rid of Scotland's "coaster culture"?

No, I'm guessing he'll just remind you what a hopeless cunt you are, and rightfully so.

The Sun.UK

Shop starts selling meat in pounds and ounces after Britain voted to leave the EU
Butcher Darren Gratton turns his back on metric law enforced by the EU in 1995

A BUTCHER is selling meat in pounds and ounces for customers fed up of the metric system – after Britain voted to leave the European Union.

Gratton’s Butchers is giving customers the choice to buy meaty goods in either imperial or metric quantities following yesterday’s historic referendum result.



A law enforced by the EU in 1995 meant that all measuring devices used in trade or retail should display measurements in metric quantities.

But Darren Gratton said that a lot of his customers who voted Brexit wanted their meat sold in the older imperial method of pounds and ounces.

The butcher from Barnstaple, Devon, said: “The next step is to speak to North Devon Council and if they say we can go back to pounds and ounces then we will do.

“All the customers wanted it back in pounds.​

Freedom!!!